That has never existed, so it's not old-fashioned.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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His stock definitely isn’t high and I don’t think there will be a lot of convincing to get him to stay, the only way is downhill for him.
INEOS are just going to be doing what anyone competent would do and play both sides. ETH will feel like his job is safe, they’ll also be sounding out replacements and narrowing down who they want.
Loool, who sat next to Sir Dave and Sir Jim vs Liverpool? Peter Schmeichel.
The next day he is saying this…
The next day he is saying this…
I'm at that stage in life where 2 hours of entertainment is enough, as long as we're competing.
It seems crazy to keep him for next season. If we were playing well consistently but results were the same as they have been, then yes I would lean more into keeping him.
But reality is we play chaotic, volatile football where 20 shots at goal against us is the norm, whether you’re Man City or Newport County.
Even if you did this huge player purge and replace them with younger and more suitable players, you are then gambling on ETH getting a tune out of them and the pressure will be on him from the first league game of the season.
I don’t think I’ve seen it work where a manager has a bad season, stays on for another chance and rises back to the top. They’re doomed to fail early on. Remember Rodgers getting a whole new coaching team put on him with McAllister and O’Driscoll at Liverpool and then he’s gone after two months, or Dalglish at Newcastle back in 1998 where he was gone after two games after spending some money on players.
But reality is we play chaotic, volatile football where 20 shots at goal against us is the norm, whether you’re Man City or Newport County.
Even if you did this huge player purge and replace them with younger and more suitable players, you are then gambling on ETH getting a tune out of them and the pressure will be on him from the first league game of the season.
I don’t think I’ve seen it work where a manager has a bad season, stays on for another chance and rises back to the top. They’re doomed to fail early on. Remember Rodgers getting a whole new coaching team put on him with McAllister and O’Driscoll at Liverpool and then he’s gone after two months, or Dalglish at Newcastle back in 1998 where he was gone after two games after spending some money on players.
Actually Mainoo was playing in pre-season as a starter and got injured. But I agree that it is nice Kambwala is getting games and looking solid. I‘m all for throwing on the kids like Van Gaal did when he had tons of injuries.
Des Walker?
Was he the norm?
He's an extreme example but very fast defenders include his son, Kyle Walker and Rio. Speed and acceleration are obviously very important parts of a world class defender's skillset and saying otherwise seems ridiculous. Yes, not every world class defender has it but saying it's not important seems pretty weird. Of course anticipation and positioning and skill on the ball and in the tackle are vital as well.
But we digress. None of our central defenders are that good at pushing up except Martinez. That's the issue. That's why we defend too deep and leave space in front. Fixing that will require a new partner for him.
It hasn't clicked, it's only gotten worse. Typical nonsense of blaming the players when it's obviously his instructions, they do the same thing every game and concede the exact same goals every game.
If this is true, INEOS do not deserve support.
Why did he buy Martinez too? He's a good defender but he's not pacey at all.
Ivan Cordoba, Jorge Andrade, Lucas Hernandez and very probably a bunch of no names, all of whom are extreme outliers noted in their time or any other for outlandish speed, but not the norm, not even close to it; these are the freaks and you can’t just scour the market and purchase or even reliably pursue them.
The amount of waffle from Ten Hag here is staggering, Gullit is bang on.
Have you ever watched him?
Very misleading headline. Doesn’t talk about ten hag or the manager position
It's not really interesting in the sense that we know that he can change things, we have seen it in the past. The issue is that he hasn't really tried to change things in any meaningful way, for Ajax and Twente he has used very different systems to accommodate different profile of players and tactical issues.
Yeah he still sounds delusional as the other pundits pick him apart. Honestly think he fell onto a golden generation in addition to some PL level signings they made for him (Tadic, Blind)
Are you WUMing? He's not a pace merchant...
Of course it's interesting.
Exactly they are extreme examples and not representative of most top level defenders. And no it's not weird to suggest that a system isn't based on the top speed of the CBs, not when most top CBs aren't particularly fast. Speed is a nice addition but it's not the foundation for a defense or defender.
Yes and watch him for a short amount of time and you see he's exceptional on the ball. Thats obviously why we bought him to help play from the back.Are you WUMing? He's not a pace merchant...
Has it gotten better? Have the players adapted to the style? No, it's been the same crap since the first game of the season. But you're a WUM so I should probably stop replying.
It's not because it's for obvious for anyone that watched his teams and secondly it's not interesting because the issue is the lack of adjustment at United.
Edit: But maybe you thought that it was a new thing, in which case it could be interesting since some think that it's the players who made up that system.
I don;t even know what you're replying to pal.
I posted a video and your response was seeming totally random. Literally no idea what you're talking about.
Weird conclusion from the tweeter but his name is “Erik Ten Shelby”
I think Gullit is spot on in this discussion and I don’t think ten Hag provides apt answers at all, really. What we’re seeing there is the same as here.
Also, how can anyone conclude that this team plays anything like his earlier teams? Everyone is wondering why he DOESN'T play like Ajax and he himself has said he doesn't want to anyway.Weird conclusion from the tweeter but his name is “Erik Ten Shelby”
I think Gullit is spot on in this discussion and I don’t think ten Hag provides apt answers at all, really. What we’re seeing there is the same as here.
It's interesting becasue it's the same issue
I see, It's not new to me so I don't find it interesting. But I see where you are coming from.
I've just never seen the clip before and found it interesting given the parallels to present day, even including ETH being stubborn in the face of criticism
I always enjoy coaches and football people discussing tactics and being candid like they are in the video.
In that sense it's interesting. But to me it's infuriating because I know that he is the source of our problem unlike what some seem to believe and I'm also convinced that if he wasn't that stubborn he could fix it but apparently you need to twist his arm in order to make him adjust his boneheaded system.I've just never seen the clip before and found it interesting given the parallels to present day, even including ETH being stubborn in the face of criticism
I always enjoy coaches and football people discussing tactics and being candid like they are in the video.
I agree, it's baffling me as to why he doesn't just change it. It can't just be stubbornness /arrogance surely? He knows he will be sacked if it keeps going this way. I just really don't understand. Something is just not right.
What do you think of the video? I’ve seen you post a few things and just write this is interesting without explain why you think it’s interesting or your thoughts on it
I did explain why. Because it's the same issue today.
I’ve caught up a bit now and seen you say why, you didn’t initially
He basically sacks a knight or bishop every game in a desperate attacking attempt to create a brilliant opening and when it doesn't work we just play the game from a disadvantage. 600 elo level tactics.
Hadn’t seen that. It’s interesting.
Gullit is saying it’s really hard to do and requires very good rest defence which is exactly what Arsenal and City do to dominate the way they do.