That's because Bayern hired an English coach for him.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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Its looking like Erik is gone in the summer and I personally hope we get Nagelsmann, Potter is being mentioned lot but I dont think he is the right man although he is more qualified for the job than some of the others being mentioned like Southgate and Motta.
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Sounds like it's just an opinion rather than anything concrete he's hearing. Is he a reliable journalist? I'm not familiar with him.
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Probably been reading the caf. We were just talking about how we would hear noise about searching for a manager if his position was actually shaky, and boom, noise magically appears
why would anyone think Xavi is a good fit for players like Rashford, Bruno, McT etc. Our current manager gave up on his original plan due to us not being able to keep the ball
How are people still arquing about this fraud. Luton scored more goals than us. And less we speak about his CL campaign is better.
Worst manager in post Sir Fergie era.
Worst manager in post Sir Fergie era.
Xavi‘s record wasn‘t better after 30 games even if you incorporate Koeman‘s bad start of the second season.
There were massive holes in the squad at st and in defence which were plugged after Xavi got there.
I feel like Koeman was treated badly and Xavi didn‘t do better initiallly, in fact they looked worse for a while.
He is not a good fit for us: cannot handle the pressure and wrong Football style.
You’re comparing the greatest manager of all time with a title winning squad to ours that hasn’t won anything in 10 years. That’s really your best argument against ten Hag given the injury crisis we’ve had this season? You’re right not a memory issue, just a complete failure of perspective.
I’m also baffled by how United’s season is described in this thread. There were were a fair few injuries and a falling out with player who was subsequently loaned to his former club. I guess the only thing you can add is the loaning out of Greenwood, but he already hadn’t been part of the squad for a while.
Some tough luck no doubt, but nothing “abnormal”.
Good list, and we even do not have to choose among them. I think we would be significantly better off with Nagelsmann as a manager, and the other 3 can still improve our midfield
Enjoyed watching this. He does make it seem easy though
Funny thing is Fergie and Ten Hag are both having Evans as backup defender
Martinez out? Season over.
The injury crisis is a statistical anomaly. Your comparing of Partey and Timber’s injuries to ours when you signed Rice and have a steady back line is comical at best, or a show of bad faith
Perspective is a good word. Perspective is Ten Hag actually being lucky to have his entire backline larely injury free last season. Every top team bar Arsenal have not had that luxury this year.
Nothing for me. The Cup was nice and a great moment but I'm tired of acting like it was this monumental credit in the bank, especially when you consider how poor we were post win instead of rising to new heights.
I know it was a few years ago now, but you do remember David Moyes yeah?
He is gone, mutual agreement, end of season.
Nagelsman offered terms.
Nagelsman offered terms.
I bet he ends up at Bayern if he leaves us at end of this season. We have to get the next appointment right. The new structure has to make it clear that we want a defined style of play. We want to see patterns, players moving, playing as a team. No more individual crap. Play as a team and we score lots of goals and concede less chances.
Who’s Santi JFM?
Why is Motta getting a lot of mentions? Based on what? Why should he get the chance to manage the biggest club in the world. If he came and failed which he would everyone will be on his back like they are with ETH. Motta isn’t good enough for a top team wanting to compete for the biggest trophies. He’s alright at average teams like where he’s at now. Overachieving with an average team is easier to do than manage a team with high expectations. There’s no pressure.
Says????He is gone, mutual agreement, end of season.
Nagelsman offered terms.
No one, just his punt
Thiago Motta isnt qualified to manage a club like Man Utd in a top league he has never managed in previously or even played in, he would be better continuing his development in Italy by taking the Juventus job.
Were you the guy with the INEOS source?He is gone, mutual agreement, end of season.
Nagelsman offered terms.
When assessing him (as a United "manager"), it is hard to ignore that he by all accounts has had a lot of authority on transfers. Like his predecessors (as far as we know anyway - it seems Murtough did feck all).
Specifically, it is very hard (for a random fan) to separate the fact that he was instrumental in making Antony a United player from the fact that he is - clearly - not capable of making Antony look anywhere near a 100m player.
If Antony (and certain other players) had been clearly thrown his way - and his job had been to just make the best of whatever was thrown at him, then yes, that would have been a very relevant factor.
It's not really the case, though.
But then again, you could argue that he's still a brilliant coach. It's just that he's a shite DOF: he's brilliant at coaching players, just shite at identifying the players he's supposed to coach.
Except...he hasn't done anything to convince anyone he's a brilliant coach either. So, there's that.
I dunno, if I were Jimbo...I really wouldn't see many obvious reasons to keep ETH around. He can't possibly continue in a pseudo-DOF capacity (or whatever the feck his capacity has been up until now) - and he hasn't impressed anyone in terms of brilliant coaching so far either.
Specifically, it is very hard (for a random fan) to separate the fact that he was instrumental in making Antony a United player from the fact that he is - clearly - not capable of making Antony look anywhere near a 100m player.
If Antony (and certain other players) had been clearly thrown his way - and his job had been to just make the best of whatever was thrown at him, then yes, that would have been a very relevant factor.
It's not really the case, though.
But then again, you could argue that he's still a brilliant coach. It's just that he's a shite DOF: he's brilliant at coaching players, just shite at identifying the players he's supposed to coach.
Except...he hasn't done anything to convince anyone he's a brilliant coach either. So, there's that.
I dunno, if I were Jimbo...I really wouldn't see many obvious reasons to keep ETH around. He can't possibly continue in a pseudo-DOF capacity (or whatever the feck his capacity has been up until now) - and he hasn't impressed anyone in terms of brilliant coaching so far either.
They so far always decided against him when they considered him an option. Why should that change now?
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Stop talking rubbish mate and misrepresenting what I'm saying. I'm comparing a defensive injury crisis with a defensive injury crisis, nothing more. It's not like I'm saying we should be challenging for the league or anything, all I'm saying is having injuries. Even a bad run of injuries like we have shouldn't affect a teams position this much and it isn't a valid excuse for just how bad we've been for 12-13 months now.
Would or could an injury crisis affect a teams results/performances/season in a negative way. Absolutely of course it could and it has ours to an extent, but it can't explain why we've went from looking like a team who could be future title challengers at the start of last year to now being 11 points off 5th with a negative GD and on course for our worst PL campaign in history to go along with the worst Champions League campaign in the clubs history.
I'll also note you didn't actually answer my question. What else makes it an unusual season?
Yeah it's overblown to ridiculous levels in here mate, yes the injuries have affected us but people are using it as a catch all excuse to explain the clusterfeck that is United's 23-24 season. And yes Greenwood is a total non issue for Ten Hag. He's never played under Ten Hag and I don't imagine he would have been a big part of his plans anyway if at all. We started the season with Rashford, Garnacho, Antony, Sancho, Amad and Pellestri as wing options.
It's just a normal season that lot's of teams have. Some seasons you're lucky with injuries some seasons the opposite.
My post was about expectations…adding the 2 players you mentioned doesn’t change anything. It’s still not a team anyone would expect to challenge for CL?
If you are making a different point and want to blame EtH for the bad signings then fair enough. But that’s completely different to the one I was making.
You never answered the question.
Also, strongly disagree. Messi was still the best player in the world. It wasn’t prime Pique and Alba, but Busquets was still great, Pedri was outstanding. Koeman persisted with Dest at RB, that’s his own fault. Objectively, Xavi has been better than Koeman with a more unsettled squad. Just look at his record.
Both Koeman and Xavi have been treated poorly.
You’re saying Xavi isn’t a fit here is based on a bias for Ten Hag, who really isn’t a fit here. A single La Liga trophy is more meaningful than all of Ten Hag trophies as a manager combined. He’s won 5 of 7 vs Real. People talk about Ten Hag’s great win in the CL vs Real… Xavi’s record is better.
That, and Ten Hag isn’t a good manager tactically.
Look, I’m not saying Xavi is coming here. I’m not saying he’s a great fit. But saying that Koeman and Ten Hag are better or even equally good managers as Xavi is a horrible, horrible take.
Yes x2
I think naive means something like not being able or interested to take in several adpects of information in favor of a simplistic view. I think the reasons you give for favoring ‘whomever else’ as an obviously better solution for next season sound simplistic, onesided and therefor naive.
The exception in your post is where you admit that don’t understand why he leaves us open. Finding out more about that would possibly give you a more nuanced view, I don’t know.
United are sixth in the league when it comes to injuries. A “fair few injuries” as I said? Yes. A “statistical anomaly”? That’s a real stretch - 6th out of 20 is the upper end of mid-table. If you’re trying to say that an anomaly then the word has lost all meaning.
Also, it’s a bit mad saying you can’t compare United’s injuries with Arsenal’s because we bought Rice and have a settled back line. You’re talking about United like they’re Brentford.
Sometimes I feel like a rate United higher than their own fans. To quote Gary Neville, “This is Manchester United we’re talking about”.
It's not only you. It's often embarassing how people claim United to be a big club and then accept them playing like some run of the mill midtable side.
Being a 'big club' is not solely based on your playing ability
You can actually taste the condescension in that post.
You have spiked my curiosity, though. You imply that you know the reason why ETH plays with:
- A back line that defends deep
- AND a midfield that aggressively man marks
- AND a front line that constantly presses high
Could you share the reason with us? And also, why the reason even matters?