I think we have the most lenient fanbase of any sports team(with a history of success).
It's mind-boggling to me honestly.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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It's mind-boggling to me honestly.
I fear this is what's going to happen. All the PR over the summer will be how we want to get things right above the manager, and get the "perfect" recruitment team on board before buying any players. Fans will lap it up as a change in approach and we will go into the season with 1-2 signings and sack ETH by Christmas and do a whole restart again.
The way I see it, if he isn't gone at the end of season, next season is definitely a write off.
Moyes failed because he took a Ferrari and treated it like a VW. Moyes came in way over his head, signed Fellani out of need to say he did something, then changed the entire game plan that SAF had success with. Aging perhaps, but the team did win the EPL 1 yr earlier. Coupled with Glazers bringing in Woodward to replace Gill, who had no clue on what expectations were, how to improve a team or how even to get transfers completed was a horror show. There should have been a succession plan developed at the least in around 2010 to make the retirements seamless to operations. Not how you run a high functioning organization.
Journalists ask questions that they know they won't get an honest answer to so why ask them?
Asking ten Hag if he is going to be sacked is pointless because he wouldn't confirm it anyway.
Asking ten Hag if he is going to be sacked is pointless because he wouldn't confirm it anyway.
Whilst he is not wrong about our back four being constantly injured and its impact it has, I do wonder what the hell they're doing to be constantly injured
Think a lot of it is just bad luck/bad timing.
Yes flipping Coufal falling on a newly recovered Martinez was the worst of the luck.
If it happens all the time, also compared to other teams, it is not just bad luck
Yeah, would be different if he was rushed back all strapped up from an injury and it went again. Even his foot injury last year was an innocuous incident.
If you look at the rest.
Shaw - shouldn't be a surprise
Malacia - that's a weird one, no real info on it
Lindelof - aside from his back, he's usually been ok injury wise, this season he's had a groin/hamstring problem.
Varane - is always an injury waiting to happen, we also now know about his other issues.
Evans - 36, played too much, inevitable that it would catch up.
AWB - hamstring/unkown injury, always been relatively injury free. Seems to be going ok now.
Maguire - has only had a groin strain that kept him out for a bit. Looks in good shape now.
Martinez - foot, knee, calf. Knee was obviously an accident, could happen anyone, calf is probably a result of lack of activity or muscular imbalance from a previous injury.
You can't really legislate for such a prevalence of overlapping injuries like that, unless you have 3 or 4 players for every position. To only have 1 fit senior CB out of 5, doesn't happen often at any club.
I remember SAF playing Richardson at left back for a bit, Fletcher/Keane/Carrick all stepped in at CB at times. Think Fletcher/Park might even have played right back in a couple of games as well. Injuries happen, it just about how you're able to adjust the team to accommodate for them, Utd don't have a squad with enough quality to be able to compensate for weaknesses in different areas like that now.
The conditions were perfect? Tell that to some of the posters on here
The conditions were perfect because he got exactly what he wanted. Some yes-man idiot to buy all the Eredivisie players he demanded.
Ten Hag: "It's very difficult [to keep changing back four]. So everyone who has a little bit of knowledge about football - a little - they know it will affect your results and performances." ....
"So I think it best to expose the defence, I think to play with one midfielder and everyone else pushed as far forward as possible is the way to go, I think Andre [Onana] has a bad start to the season, so to build his confidence I think he should face more shots, anyone who knows a little bit about football will know this is a good plan"
"So I think it best to expose the defence, I think to play with one midfielder and everyone else pushed as far forward as possible is the way to go, I think Andre [Onana] has a bad start to the season, so to build his confidence I think he should face more shots, anyone who knows a little bit about football will know this is a good plan"
Sorry I was on about trophy success not individual games. I did and still do think if the Doc could have stayed away from Mary Brown we may have won the title under him. That season when we came up and finished 3rd to QPR? and Liverpool was as exciting as any. Some Atkinson matches were memorable as well. The 3-3 with Liverpool and 5-0 against Newcastle come to mind.
Fans thinking a change of manager will enable us to challenge for the title next season are deluded.
The Glazers have dug a huge hole for us.
Even SJR has said it is not like turning on a switch.
But the indications are we are making the right decisions in football organization structure.
Add to that Stadium and Facilities upgrades INEOS has a full plate.
I am buzzing about the emphasis on the Youth set up.
We have excellent players coming through.
We need to have patience.
The Glazers have dug a huge hole for us.
Even SJR has said it is not like turning on a switch.
But the indications are we are making the right decisions in football organization structure.
Add to that Stadium and Facilities upgrades INEOS has a full plate.
I am buzzing about the emphasis on the Youth set up.
We have excellent players coming through.
We need to have patience.
What is he going to say? "Thank god he was shite at his job and didn't sign the players I wanted. Murtough more like Murtwat".The conditions were perfect? Tell that to some of the posters on here
Stop taking press conference answers literally.The conditions were perfect? Tell that to some of the posters on here
I bet you won't find one person on here saying that.
Nobody thinks that. Most of us would like a manager who doesn't constantly produce humiliating results though.
Time + patience = SAF
Still less paraphrasing than some dimwits against the current coach, assuming views of the other side to be something false.
It's not out of the realms of possibility but many just want to see people punished as they think it will be cathartic.
A new manager might get a honeymoon period in which they overachieve though.
I remember my dad saying it was a personal matter.
But we had a conservative board then.
The Doc also had to deal with the Best situation.
He did a very good job and certainly would have won us the title.
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Who the flying feck thinks a new manager will enable us to challenge for the league? I think majority of us just want to see consistent performances and tactics that make an inkling of sense.
Agree on early signs of INEOS being positive though. It's the first time we've looked truly proactive as a club since the Fergie days. I'm really interested to see how it affects transfer business this summer
Excluding Abu Dhabi I expect Arsenal and Liverpool to be the main title contenders next season.
Villa and Spurs will work on their issues and be close.
I do not know what Newcastle will be allowed to do.
We are still some ways away from them though.
Villa and Spurs will work on their issues and be close.
I do not know what Newcastle will be allowed to do.
We are still some ways away from them though.
And we'll be even further away from all of them if Ten Hag is still here in August.
If time and patience = SAF, we should have just saved some angst and stuck with Moyes and given him time and patience, or LVG and given him time and patience, or Jose, he would have been fine with time and patience, or Ole, all he needed was more time and a little patience.
Fact is to =SAF you also need to be a bloody good manager as well as getting time and patience.
Still never answered the question.
For Xavi “didn’t do better than Koeman,”well, he did. He won La Liga. And came in 2nd in his first season. Koeman has crashed out of several jobs. He won 3 Eredivise titles… 15-20 years ago… but that’s a much easier league than the PL.
Busquets was 31 the season Koeman had him. De Jong, Lenglet and Messi all made team of the season.
I suppose it’s an opinion that Koeman is a good manager or an equal manager to Xavi, but it’s not based in fact and purely subjective. This makes your “Ten Hag in” position even more suspect as you clearly are swayed by factors that have nothing to do with football.
Imagine, if somehow INEOs grants Ten Hag a Rodri-like one man midfield, and 4 Kyle Walker defenders who can cover the highline
Ah… the old “it’s the player’s fault”. Nevermind it’s a team full of internationals, World Cup, Euro and CL winners… absolutely they must be tactically inept.
This is a fecking insulting post. Anyone who has managed to play at a reasonably high level of football knows this is an absolute crock of shit.
Yup, always the same straw man arguments from the usual suspects.
We'd still only score 40 goals a season.
If anyone genuinely thinks that perhaps. But after this season challenging for 5th would be an improvement.
Have to laugh at strawmanning that hard when everyone here would be satisfied with a new manager just getting fewer than 15 defeats in all competitions, and maybe a +10 goal difference would be nice.
Reminder - by the end of this season we're very likely to have 20+ defeats and negative goal difference.
Reminder - by the end of this season we're very likely to have 20+ defeats and negative goal difference.
I think that if they have any doubt he's the right man, he's gone. I think that's likely to be the case and I personally think he'll go. They seem decisive and Ratcliffe in particular is clearly a man who wants to get things done.
They'll only get one chance to have a decent first season. If they don't see ETH as the long term answer, and I'd personally struggle to see how they could given how he's performed (even taking into account the factors outside of his control) then there's no point in including him in the rebuild.
Well that's put the cat amongst the pigeons.
Surely that's a massive blow for all the "Structure" postsThe conditions were perfect? Tell that to some of the posters on here
Seems like the perfect plan.
Yeah, only believe the things that support Eth and his fan boys!
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Literally not the debate whatsoever. These types of posts created to cause stupid fractions are the worst.