Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager

Samid said:

Last 7 games

Still have to play 4 teams that smoked us in the reverse fixtures in our remaining 6 games. Good luck to anyone still in this fool's camp.

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I won't lie the results in itself do not look good but I refuse to get dragged along with the eric out campaign. We had a goal against because 2 18 y old made mistakes, one of them just fell unlucky. Casemiro was bad. Bournemouth is a good team. ETH even admitted that our penalty was debatable. But again we pulled out a draw, away. We have quite some good players to come back in the next weeks (martinez, shaw with a bit of luck, Evans, Lindeloff) when we have some big games coming up.

I always said I am ETH out if he gets to 3 run losses, with bad game tactics minute 1 till 90 and 3 or more goal difference beatings. As one poster said: perhaps Newcastle is ready to hand us our back bum. But if you don't believe the opposite, then why are you here anyway, is my view. I stand by this team. Can we do it, I don't know. I tell you this: today, even with the few good shots against Onana (who played a very good game) I never had the feeling we would lose. We just severly lacked in attack. I counted maybe 5 or 6 well executed attacks. Our wingers and forwards made too many errors. Hojlund worked very hard. That mess up by Rashford in the 70th minute was very bad and he knew it, that's why he chased back all the way to rb. It's also testament how good Bournemouth pressed and they played at home.

Also, under Jose, LvG, these games would end 0 - 0. You would have all the nice low shot stats, the high controll stats but no goals. Anyway, see it as you fit. I know the place will be crawling with ETH out posters and good for them. I'm not one of them. Yet.

Green Army said:

It is entirely the wrong time to sack EtH this season.

With Barcelona, Bayern, maybe Chelsea, maybe Sporting, Liverpool all looking for new managers, I don’t see too many fighting to come to OT.

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It's not a very ambitious mentality. At worst we roll the dice on a short term replacement for next season. What we shouldn't do is stick with a man we already know isn't good enough

Regulus Arcturus Black said:

Yup, it’d be one thing if his stubbornness was due to us looking brilliant in one area (say attacking, or pressing, or possession) but fecking it up too often in other areas. I’d get that if we were just waiting for the one area to “click” but we’re absolutely awful all over the pitch.
Any competent manager would either have us improving in some areas else start working to a different more pragmatic plan.

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Yeah, we don't look good at anything. We resemble an uncoached mess every fecking game.

As I said earlier we defend like we play all out attack and attack like we're playing all out defence. How he has managed to implement this tactical paradox is I suppose impressive in it's own way.

AndySmith1990 said:

I'd be interested to see goal difference comparisons between them

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Jose +62
Ole +44
LvG +39
Ten Hag +14

C'est Moi Cantona said:

Neither would fill me with any hope what so ever, so I'll stick to my keep Ten Hag over either of those two stance.

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Potter is no genius but at least he understands the EPL. That means no midget CBs that breaks after few months in the EPL, no 2 no 10s in CM and no Rocky Balboa style training that left us without any fit players

Personally I'd go for McKenna though. He did wonders with Ipswich and he knows exactly who the rotten apples are

RedSky said:

Jose +62
Ole +44
LvG +39
Ten Hag +14

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Not surprising. It's pretty grim really

Samid said:

Last 7 games

Still have to play 4 teams that smoked us in the reverse fixtures in our remaining 6 games. Good luck to anyone still in this fool's camp.

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And that 2-0 win was two penalties

RedSky said:

Jose +62
Ole +44
LvG +39
Ten Hag +14

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More damning than the points totals.

We get played off the park by any manager with a decent tactical plan, if it was only the top 3-4 teams doing this against us Eric may get the benefit of the doubt, but it's every team in the league can run us ragged if they want to. Time to go.

Green Army said:

It is entirely the wrong time to sack EtH this season.

With Barcelona, Bayern, maybe Chelsea, maybe Sporting, Liverpool all looking for new managers, I don’t see too many fighting to come to OT.

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Nonsense. It's the right time. The best upcoming managers are starting to come available and we should beat these teams to the punch now.

No way he survives this.

One win in 7 - completely acceptable for the modern United sadly.

Genuinely think EtH is going to be here next season regardless.

I was very on board with us getting him but it's abject. We are fecking terrible.

Leftback99 said:

More damning than the points totals.

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Especially seeing as we would have had a goal difference of -15 as well as at least 10 points less if we weren’t so ridiculously lucky. It’s unreal the amount of fortune we’ve had this season, there’s no way we’re a top-half side on merit.

devilish said:

Potter is no genius but at least he understands the EPL. That means no midget CBs that breaks after few months in the EPL, no 2 no 10s in CM and no Rocky Balboa style training that left us without any fit players

Personally I'd go for McKenna though. He did wonders with Ipswich and he knows exactly who the rotten apples are

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I'd take Mckenna out of the three of them, but it would just feel like we're right back at the start of yet another doomed cycle if we went for any of them tbh.

If keeping Ten Hag for another season means there will be better candidates available next year, and also give Ineos time to get everything in place, then so be it.

Keep thinking about how the INEOS contingency just wanted ETH to go out there until the end of the season and show them how he can play the system they want, only for us to completely shit the bed and then wallow around in it.

We look as bad as we ever have and you've got a manager and players that are supposed to be fighting for their careers at the club. You think we'd see something change - personnel, tactics, anything - but instead it's the same garbage match in, match out.

It's like a deer standing in the middle of the road not moving because it's been rendered stupid by the oncoming headlights.

Another woefully inept, disjointed, tactically bemusing performance from us. I don’t care if it’s Willy Kambawala or Willy fecking Wonka at the back; there’s no excuse for how we set up. You can point to the young lads mistakes but we conceded chance after chance and could have been 4 down at half time.

The word “disgrace” gets thrown around far too often in football, but for once it is apt. Our performance levels, shape, movement on and off the ball are simply put, disgraceful.

I cannot imagine a world where Ten Hag should, or will, have his job next season.

DWelbz19 said:

And that 2-0 win was two penalties

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Still better than Dyche

God he is awful.

idek2346 said:

Ten Hag has got himself sacked.

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That headline has been writing itself for the past two months. Don't think he's gonna get the axe until after the season is over.

Resonance said:

It’s not looking good for him at all, however, we’re just going to replace him with another gamble and in 12 months time the fans will probably be calling for his head aswell.

Why not give EtH another half a season with an actual structure in place and see what happens?

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You people have to be taking the piss now

Resonance said:

It’s not looking good for him at all, however, we’re just going to replace him with another gamble and in 12 months time the fans will probably be calling for his head aswell.

Why not give EtH another half a season with an actual structure in place and see what happens?

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Why are our fans so scared of managers coming in, failing and being replaced? We are quick to want players replaced but not managers. If the new guy doesn't work then replace him - keeping a manager we KNOW is not performing and hoping for some magical miracle turnaround is absolutely not the logical choice. A new guy coming in and being poor doesn't absolve Ten Hag or any of our previous poor performing coaches, the same way that Martial being poor doesn't mean we should have just stuck with Welbeck.

I know it can be nervy and it's disappointing when it doesn't work out, but as a fanbase we have to get over this fear. Why should we continue with the current coach when performances are so poor? There is literally nothing but blind hope in his favour currently. I really wanted him to work out, but it's not and that is just how things work out sometimes.

A bizarre performance from ETH this season. So many encouraging signs last season, I thought he had identified and was moving on the wasters and there were initial signs of the team being able to exert some control over games. At one point he was being praised for the in game subs that were getting the team results.

All those positives completely evaporated this season - injuries give some mitigation, but the past 2 months with all the CMs essentially available, there has been less control than ever, and the team look an uncoached mess. I’m so dejected by it I don’t even know what you’d do next - his Ajax team played such good football I was all for him joining. What is so wrong inside this club that no one can seem to succeed?

Leave him to get to his third cup final (hopefully against Chelsea) then sack at the end of the season I think. LVG part 2...

You simply can't concede that much space in the PL, and you can't moan when the chaotic football doesn't go in your favor. That Onana save at 2-1 kept us in the game, we could have been dead and buried in the first half.

Apart from not liking this style of football, I think what really annoys me is the fact that every game feels like a grueling battle to win by a single goal, either by a comeback or by us conceding. EVERYTHING feels in the balance all the time, constantly. Nothing is ever certain or controlled.

pocco said:

Because he didn't have a galactico team to make his tactics look good, or a completely injury free season, plus the wind was blowing in the wrong direction in some of our games. Once it all works out as he needs, the stars align and the gods look down on us.... then he might look competent at this level.

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There were massive red flags last year, but people overlooked them because as a club we are far too pro-manager. The Ronaldo, Maguire and De Gea situations were the big teller. He had fans believing that Ronaldos inability to press killed our entire style of play. He had fans believing that it was Maguire's passing from the back that was hampering us. Or that if De Gea was more of a sweeper keeper, we would be a lot better. Yet, once all the dust has settled, what's evident is that he was ust a terrible manager masking his failures using players. Sure enough, Pro-Manager United were the club that this could work on, because fans and the club have no qualms about quickly turning their back on players in favour of the manager. We let De Gea go for free, signed Onana for 60m for this nonsense. He hasn't even needed to be the successful and charismatic figure people like LVG and Mourinho were.

For me, this is the part of the structure that has consistently hurt us over the last few years. Continously backing managers who aren't showing anything on the pitch, and throwing key players to the wolves. Where other clubs can understand how stupid the English media pro-manager narrative is, we are the one club in the country that follows that line of thinking. So its no surprise that despite failing for a decade, we've hired less managers than Bayern over that time. Ten Haag's time here is the biggest proof of that. He was allowed to sink us to new lows with evidently suicidal tactics, without even trying to change, yet still has a job at a club that claims to have ambition.

Resonance said:

It’s not looking good for him at all, however, we’re just going to replace him with another gamble and in 12 months time the fans will probably be calling for his head aswell.

Why not give EtH another half a season with an actual structure in place and see what happens?

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Because hes already spent the best part of a year proving himself to be totally inept.

He has really done an abysmal job this season, there's no other way around it.

Catalandevil said:

I don't think changing the manager will solve our problems magically. Also, last year we were on the right track and this year we just collapsed. Why? Injuries can't be the only problem. We don't know what is going on behind the scenes.

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No one has suggested that changing managers will solve all our problems. However, it is possible to do better than this. Ten Hag repeatedly gets outmanoeuvred by other managers, a good amount of them lower on the table than us - because as poor as our squad is they can conjure individual moments of quality said managers lower on the table would kill to have in their teams. How open we are is a systemic issue and he simply can’t see it or is unable to fix.

Ten Hag isn’t the first manager that simply isn’t able to build on a previous season. It doesn’t mean there’s something nefarious happening behind the scenes. And that’s without mentioning that we played poor football even last season.

We looked a very poor side today. We haven't built any personality, character or genuine (as opposed to one-off, or a few games) resilience in a team since SAF moved on.

Not one manager since SAF seems to have understood how to manage Manchester United. None of them.

Samid said:

Last 7 games

Still have to play 4 teams that smoked us in the reverse fixtures in our remaining 6 games. Good luck to anyone still in this fool's camp.

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As awful as that looks the results still flatter the performances.

Unbelievable but true.

OverratedOpinion said:

God he is awful.

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All about perspective. Leicester fans would probably cream their pants at the thought of appointing him right now.

Resonance said:

It’s not looking good for him at all, however, we’re just going to replace him with another gamble and in 12 months time the fans will probably be calling for his head aswell.

Why not give EtH another half a season with an actual structure in place and see what happens?

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I can take the poor results but it’s the performances that are telling. Even when we win the football is fecking crap it’s a 90 scrap that could go either way there’s no excuse for that. We generally look clueless at times our play is baffling

There’s no long term plan under those conditions for me.

Bobski said:

As awful as that looks the results still flatter the performances.

Unbelievable but true.

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It's totally true.

The win against Everton we were absolutely dreadful, we should have lost comfortably to Brentford and Liverpool, Bournemouth were the better side today.

Resonance said:

It’s not looking good for him at all, however, we’re just going to replace him with another gamble and in 12 months time the fans will probably be calling for his head aswell.

Why not give EtH another half a season with an actual structure in place and see what happens?

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What is he going to do in six months, he’s been a complete mess for over a year now.

The whole give him 6-12 months just for sake of it is the worst argument for keeping him. He’s wasted two years and this is still going to take 2-3 years to sort out, 6 months is nothing. You either have to be prepared to back him for those 2-3 years or you get rid, sacking him few months into next season is the worst scenario.

dave2528 said:

Keep thinking about how the INEOS contingency just wanted ETH to go out there until the end of the season and show them how he can play the system they want, only for us to completely shit the bed and then wallow around in it.

We look as bad as we ever have and you've got a manager and players that are supposed to be fighting for their careers at the club. You think we'd see something change - personnel, tactics, anything - but instead it's the same garbage match in, match out.

It's like a deer standing in the middle of the road not moving because it's been rendered stupid by the oncoming headlights.

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I don’t doubt that might be their strategy and based on all evidence he’s failing the test, but the test is flawed if the players know he’s at risk of losing his job as they can continue to play like dickheads and get another free pass.

The smartest strategy would have been to tell the players behind the scenes he will still be here next season, while still being ready to pull the trigger before then if needed.

Maybe that’s what they did, who bloody knows. Either way another shite game and another shite result.

Leftback99 said:

Still think we'll get 20+ points from the last 10 games like you argued with me 4 games ago?

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Is that what I said?

He is cracking up big time.

Storms off when asked a very legit question :/

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jasT1981 said:

Storms off when asked a very legit question :/

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The one challenging question he faces the entire season and he walks off. Coward.

jasT1981 said:

Storms off when asked a very legit question :/

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Finally he’s showing up some balls. Sadly too late