I agree with him. The way he kept criticising the players and never once said he made a mistake, got under my skin. The players must have been as annoyed by it too. I think the way he tries to gaslight the fans is annoying also, it's like he thinks we don't understand football. His whole demeanor grates on me. Not got the personality for United.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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I agree with that. Surely if TH growed some bollocks and dropped the underperforming players, (not for one but a few games), rather than pick the biggest names, this might give them a wake up call when they are back in the team to put more effort in.
I agree with this. It's the arrogance of LVG but without the charm (and prior career success) that made it palatable.
Can anyone recall the last time we had 1 striker at the club?
Not having Rashford as a striker
Nor including Martial who’s been absent for pretty much the entirety of his contract
1 fecking striker…let that sink in
Not having Rashford as a striker
Nor including Martial who’s been absent for pretty much the entirety of his contract
1 fecking striker…let that sink in
In attack it's to win the ball high and force mistakes.
In defence it's to invite pressure and then quickly counter because the pitch is open. Unfortunately we don't have the personnel to pull it off well.
Every single one of them are miserable clowns, except for the youngsters - Mainoo, Garnacho, Hojlund, and Kambwala.
None of the senior players would be recruited by any top team and nobody would pay them the salaries we are paying them. The way they were not even doing the basics of: effort, running, not giving ball away cheaply, using brains to see the field is absolutely disgusting. You don't need any manager and any game plan to do the basics or to win over Bournemouth. These bunch are worthless
Ridiculous for a club or our size. That's why I do think a real footballing structure would never have let that happen. We've been spoiled over the years having about 4 in the squad.
It's funny, we used to have a load of CFs that we had to shunt wide and now we have a load of wide players we have to shunt to the middle.
Wtf, I just woke up and see this guys still in the job 
heh.Wtf, I just woke up and see this guys still in the job
They are, but we haven't been a consistent top 4 team for over a decade.
Probably the entire time post-Lukaku really, which is why we end up with desperate loans like Ighalo and Weghorst, or playing a heavily work in progress 20 year old in every match he's available.
You win or lose a football match in midfield.
We had none yesterday.
Same with the Brentford match.
That is unacceptable.
I realize Casemiro is done. So is Eriksen.
But playing an 18 year old to death is not a solution.
Bruno could have helped Mainoo.
Mount could take his place.
I think Erik will be gone in the summer.
We had none yesterday.
Same with the Brentford match.
That is unacceptable.
I realize Casemiro is done. So is Eriksen.
But playing an 18 year old to death is not a solution.
Bruno could have helped Mainoo.
Mount could take his place.
I think Erik will be gone in the summer.
Oles first season where we relied heavily on Martial and Mason.
In Rashfords case I'd say primarily the responsibility is Rashfords. But Rashford plaing shit this year isn't the reason we've had the worst Premier League and Champions League campaigns in the clubs history. It isn't McTominays fault he's been picked so much this season either, no one is forcing Ten Hag to select him, often over his own midfield signings. Maguire has been one of Erik's favoruites this year, preferred for months over Varane, again no one was forcing him to select him.
And none of those players are the main reason we've been so shit, all season the players have followed the managers instructions. Despite those instructions making little or no sense.
Probably spends 60 mill on Brian Brobbey
Dalot, Varane, Shaw, Bruno and probably Rashford who else would start when everyone is fit?
Explain the other clubs that have had the same:similar number of managers in the same time period and have been more successful that United? “Stability” isn’t provided by the manager.
Ten Hag’s reputation is inflated by his domestic success with Ajax, but then again, De Boer won like 5 titles with Ajax and we know how it turned out for him. Besides, Ten Hag is on record saying we won’t ever play like Ajax - so the whole “stay with a manager that has shown previously he can play with a clear plan” doesn’t even apply here. We’re playing with a clear plan right now, it’s just a shit one.
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Those two are both off the ball
I agree though, our prime way to attack seems to be to try to force errors in the opposition buildup by pressuring them early, when the ball is won, we try to attack very swiftly. When they manage to play around the first line, we are going to sit a little deeper, trying to do the same thing but obviously with more space to run into.Here lies one of the main issues - the game plan itself is sound, it is exactly what Liverpool were/are doing under Klopp. Our execution though is influenced by two factors - preparation and players. Preparation in the sense that our players having gone through the managers they went through have no organisation or feel of collective play at all. So on a scale where Peps City is the highest in terms of organisation and Brighton is up there, I think a team like Bournemouth is about average, Manchester United though, are really down the drain. Unfortunately. The other factor, the players, means that the personnel we have is not ideal for the roles they most like would have. Add to that, that the better suited players have been injured a lot and some players who surely were in our long term plans have taken themselves out of the equasion (Sancho and Greenwood) and add a few acquisition who weren't great successes and you end up where we are.
Weird illogical belief that our fans have. In fact, it is something that surrounds the club, as you have pundits and media members say the same about United for some reason but don't seem to care much about other clubs running through managers.
I also don’t find him particularly likable. Has this aura of a harsh, condescending PE teacher.
And that one striker is basically a youngster who is new to EPL and senior football in general. Plus he gets zero service from our wingers or midfielders.
I agree that we haven't really added to the squad in the best way and if you look at those 'old' Ole players I mentioned (or the ones further back than him) you realise that we've added more players that just sadly are not part of United's future, such as Casemiro, Varane and Eriksen (and these players are actual winners of league titles). The squad is still in a terrible mess and EtH has done very little to solve that.
As for EtH's style of play, i'm skeptical as to how it could work, even if you get players of the right profile. It does go back to something Ralf said though when he said that this squad doesn't have the right physical qualities for an aggressive style of football. Even if you had players like prime Roy Keane, Japp Stam or David Beckham would it work? i'm not sure.
Is this poetry?
It was quite moving, wasn’t it?Trouble is a lot of them have been 'broken physically and mentally' under Ole/Ralf too, and then some of them previously were involved in the 18-19 season where we finished 6th place. Remove the common idea that they're "toxic" or "downing tools" (although we can have reasonable suspicions that some of them have done that before) and see that it's probably a hard task for any manager to do anything other than squeeze a top 4 finish with a points total between 60 and 75 points out of these guys if they're heavily featuring in teams.
I also think it's reasonable to assume that Shaw, Mctominay, Maguire, Rashford, Lindelof, will all get another chance particularly if a certain manager we're linked with gets the job
. Martial is thankfully gone, AwB is in his last season and might realistically leave. Dalot has had a decent couple of years and will probably stay and Bruno is club captain and will almost certainly stay too. That's still a significant number of the squad that has got a fair few failures under their belt surviving another day.I do think it's right for people to look at certain players and wonder how on Earth we're going to get to the place we want to be, challenging for the top trophies, with them featuring so often. I am very much EtH out at this point but i do think Ralf had a point when he said the team needs a complete change of character.
If he does go I appreciate that he helped to destroy Liverpool this season. My manager.
Didn’t Lindelof get a new contract under him, and also Rashford? How is Ten Hag not blameless and “the players from previous managers” excuse gets thrown out again when he’s been part of the process that rewards these players from the previous regimes?
It's always nice when LIV CRY, but unfortunately even CRY can protect a lead much better than us.
Eric, take notes, they don't have 10 meters gap between lines when defending deep.
Eric, take notes, they don't have 10 meters gap between lines when defending deep.
But we’ll be told we need 20 new players at the cost of another 400 million to be able to even defend properly. It’s absolute nonsense that we can’t do better with the current bunch.
I think ten Hag’s demeanour and comments from the press conference suggests that he may know hes done at the end of the season. There is just no excuse now for this poor run of form. Injuries have inevitably caused a step back this season but our lack of clear and defined playing style, and setting up this team so that we’re a shooting gallery for every team including relegation fodder are grounds to be sacked. I’ve defended ten Hag all season but he is not giving any good reasons why we would continue with him next season.
I think Lindelof, Dalot, Shaw, Martial, McT, Rashford - have all been doing the same shit under 3 managers now.
But it's not just about the individual players.
It's the same shit over and over, wide players who lack brains and work rate, midfielders who can't control and pass a football properly, lack of technical ability, aggression and athleticism throughout the team in key areas.
There's something seriously wrong with the recruitment processs in analysing and scouting players, it's not just about what they can do on the pitch it's about how they are off it. You have to be able to have a good assessment of their overall character and personality. Utd have been guilty of overpaying for absolute gobshites who think that their job is done once they sign that contract. It's like the football equivalent of an easy public service job, once you're in, you're nearly impossible to remove.
It's almost like that's just enough for them. It has to change, but it won't unless all the shite in the current squad is removed.
It basically said he couldn't say until he got it verified from another source but basically EtH is gone at the end of the season.
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Lindelof's a back-up, Dalot's just had arguable his best season, Shaw last season arguably likewise. Without Rashford's goals last season would Ten Hag have even won a trophy or came 3rd? McTom is another Ten Hag favourite this season.
If the problem is systemic and is present over years regardless of the players, then what will removing certain players achieve in and of itself?
We've already culled the squad from the Solskjaer era, it didn't really help.
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100% but we give managers way too many chances despite popular opinion seeming to be we've sacked too many.
For how bad we've been post Fergie I'd argue we should have had even more managers in that timr
Half the players in the team now are his players, but apparently they're letting him down. So get rid of them and let him buy more, right?
But we should give him time under the new regime too? Why?
What has he shown, as a competent manager to justify any more time than he has already had?
But we should give him time under the new regime too? Why?
What has he shown, as a competent manager to justify any more time than he has already had?
Forlan of managers
If? How is it still a question. It has to be a certainty at this point.
But yeah agree with you on the Liverpool point. That's literally the only good thing about this entire season
Probably worse premiership campaign yes but club’s history no we got relegated 50 years ago
I'm aware mate which is why I said worst Premier League campaign.