Besides that Alonso was hired by a competent DoF who built an excellent squad. He is the X-factor to get this squad to perform on an extremely high level, but we should also give credit to the structure that created the squad.Hey, man. That's unfair. Alonso has got ideas, tactics and strategy. How's Erik meant to compete with that?!
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
- Thread starter sewey89
- Start date
Honestly an awful start from INEOS. From the time it took to get the deal sorted for buying the club, to not doing anything in January, to dithering in Hag, to the amount of time to recruit head positions. It’s actually been a disaster which can get a lot worse if nothing has happened come August.
people legitimately turning on INEOS already is amazing. SadCafe.Pretty sure it actually happens all the time. Going way back to when Roman took over Chelsea they hired Kenyon but United put him on gardening leave for a few months as he was under contract. Berrada and Ashworth is the same deal, they're on gardening leave until the end of the season.
That and we keep hiring shit builders.
It could get worse, it's possible. But it really shouldn't, while this isn't a title winning squad it's not a squad that should be coming 8th or 9th either. Injuries haven't helped but the shitshow we've witnessed this season could have been largely avoided if ETH was smarter with how he sets us up. But he wasn't, it's too late now to undo the damage and it'll likely cost him his job come June.
So we start over.
Harsh on Sir Jim, he just got here
He was available for us - hence he’s now seeing out his notice period. You need to show patience
They've been here 4 months. Jesus wept, give them a chance to get their feet under the table.
Last edited:
Oh don’t you start
They didn't own any of the club until February.
Exactly, we want owners who take decisive action like Chelsea got. Imagine if these oil shilling idiots actually waited to get a structure of actual experts in place to oversee big decisions at the club.
I want Ten Hag gone as much as most. I also want us to make the right decision on what happens after that.
That's no excuse, they need to be doing more!
Honestly, I was nervous about INEOS, but I'm willing to give them a try and so far I don't really feel the need to shit myself over how they're handling things, not yet.
What the hell is this mess?!
I mean this is just parody at this point. You can’t possibly be this down on everything, to be criticising INEOS like this already?
Walk to the correct solutions, not run to the wrong ones. Things take time, STFU and be patient! Good things come to those who wait.
They’ve barely begun. It’s been 2 months. Even the AI Sheikh couldn’t do anything that fast.
Please explain how they could have speeded up the Glazers? You do know it was the Glazers holding up the transaction, right? Hence the Christmas deadline ultimatum set by Sit Jim.
The deal was announced as complete on the 20th February. What did you want them to do in January? They could do as much at that point as you could have done.
What?!
Again, if you could explain how to speed up Newcastle agreeing to a compromise for Ashworth I’m sure there are folk at the club who’d be interested to hear it. You know we also have a new CEO and a new Technical director already lined up, right?
I mean this is just parody at this point. You can’t possibly be this down on everything, to be criticising INEOS like this already?
Walk to the correct solutions, not run to the wrong ones. Things take time, STFU and be patient! Good things come to those who wait.
I wasn't excited but I actually think they have made close to the perfect start.
They are addressing the underlying issues that have caused the clubs stagnation for the past decade and doing it fast.
They may as well hold on until the end of the season now anyway but he clearly needs to be getting more out of the players at his disposal. This squad if we were being pragmatic in our approach as in playing on the counter we would have probably made top four. I’m just hoping this is the last season of us looking abject
I'd personally rather being Ole back and pray for vibes to carry us through to a fluke FA Cup win then get our manager in the summer.
Won't happen though so irrelevant.
When Ole did that it wasn’t pragmatism, he was a kick and rush PE Teacher, it wasn’t good enough and we needed to develop our style of play.
Now we have a manager who is slowly developing the playing style and everyone wants him kicked out. Make it make sense.
I'd be all for Ole till end of the season purely for the laughs. We'd comfortably end the season better with him in charge.
Why? What good would that do??
There's slow, and then there's whatever the feck this is.
Slowly developing? So slow it's going in reverse.
The passing in midfield, the interchange between front players, defensive shape, pressing from the front and yes even the playing out from defenders was better under the "kick and rush PE teacher" than anything we have seen this season.
So if Ole was a PE teacher then this chap could barely run an after school club. There it makes sense.
I remember tweets from a couple of months ago saying that Ineos won't sack Ten Hag immediately unless the wheels really come off. Does make you wonder how far off we are from that right now?
Maybe at this stage they'll try to see it out till the summer, but I suppose there is a lot of damage that can be done still. Their standing with supporters, the way the club is viewed by potential managers/players, the happiness of players here that we may want to keep, the mood of the supporters...
I get that they're trying to ride it out till we have a structure in place, but they must be being pushed to their limit right now.
The other thing that could be an issue is when these new guys are going to be in place and how long they will then need before they're ready to make a move. Is it happening now? Will they be ready to go come the last game of the season? Will it be the end of summer, when we've no chance to do anything? These are all questions that I'm sure a lot of supporters have.
Maybe at this stage they'll try to see it out till the summer, but I suppose there is a lot of damage that can be done still. Their standing with supporters, the way the club is viewed by potential managers/players, the happiness of players here that we may want to keep, the mood of the supporters...
I get that they're trying to ride it out till we have a structure in place, but they must be being pushed to their limit right now.
The other thing that could be an issue is when these new guys are going to be in place and how long they will then need before they're ready to make a move. Is it happening now? Will they be ready to go come the last game of the season? Will it be the end of summer, when we've no chance to do anything? These are all questions that I'm sure a lot of supporters have.
Might give us a bounce that would give us a slightly better chance at winning the FA Cup which would be something considering this season is a write off anyway given the ineptitude of the current coach who will surely be replaced in the summer anyway.
I wouldn't trust Ineos with a temporary Ole hire in the same way others don't trust them with Southgate. The 0.1% chance that the supporter in SJR, who was there in 99, suddenly gets the idea in his head to make it permanent again, is too big a risk for me. If we finished the season with the same bounce as he brought the first time, then I know the lemmings in our fan base would happy clap their way off that cliff once again. And he might just cave to that pressure.
This.
Can't wrap my head around it. I really can't. The state of this forum at times.
Wrong on all counts.
NegCafe strikes again!
It's absolutely pathetic. More than likely they're ones that wanted Qatar more than Ineos, so any excuse now to shit on them.
We're feeling generous and will pass on this dream signing. Keep him, give him a 10 years contract extension and another billion to throw out the window.
I'm sure it will click once the right structure is in place.
there's blindly backing the manager, and then there's this. Bizarre.If he wasn’t available he wouldn’t be sitting at home now on his notice period
Monday morning and still in charge... shocking.
Have there been any insider articles this morning?
interesting how ETH bemoans the fact that we’ve not had a left back for half the season when we own a very good one!
https://x.com/tenhagera/status/1779634767081701844?s=46&t=kxIabKFV9rIshirb_ZbxHw
More evidence of sheer incompetence and an inability to judge player potential
https://x.com/tenhagera/status/1779634767081701844?s=46&t=kxIabKFV9rIshirb_ZbxHw
More evidence of sheer incompetence and an inability to judge player potential
People who think he will be axed any moment will have to wait. Season will end as is
Whatever style Ten Hag is *trying* to develop, it's rubbish. Give me Ole's counter attack over this dross any day
I agree with the sentiment that peak Ole ball is better than what we've seen this season.
The sentiment however is that stripping away bad habits and forcing players to adopt a style reliant on technical ability will be ugly and make them look worse. It's probably needed if there is a systemic way of playing that needs to be embedded across the squad. The shite ones would eventually move on for better transfers.
Ten hags undoing for me however is the poor squad building and lack of pragmatism in light of these handicaps. He could embed a style that shows directness and playing out from the back, without actually being so open in his midfield. He's chosen not to and itl probably be his downfall.
That being said, I want whoever our next guy is to adopt his way irrespective of the pain. I don't want an Ole ball bounce.
It doesn't take this long to develop your style of play. Either he's bad at accomplishing the basics of what he wants us to play like, or his play style is crap and not worth continuing. Personally, I believe it's the latter. He doesn't value possession as much as I personally want. I knew he didn't value it compared to someone like Pep, but he's struggling to compare to Klopp from his Dortmund days (before he started to value it a little more to adjust to 2018 tactics). It's not just about fast transitions from winning the ball over, or going from the first phase of build up to the next serving as evidence that I'm using, and thus makes it look worse than it can be. The players, nor his player selections with what he has don't seem to value control that you would need to be successful. He also doesn't value compactness.
United regularly look a worse side compared to mid table and relegation level sides. It's embarrassing.
What are you seeing that makes you believe with better players he will have United playing better? Not just results wise, but performances? Because I'm more of a performance kind of person. I don't need immediate results to believe in a manager. If he can emulate Klopp from 2015 to 2016 Liverpool, I would be satisfied right now. If he can emulate Ange, I would be happy.
I'm not asking for much and he's still failing the bare minimum.
Honestly, I don't see this team/squad really as being any better than 5th to 9th. Arsenal, City, Liverpool, Spurs and Villa arguably have better more balanced squads and have players more in line with how the manager wants to play. Then you have Newcastle, West Ham, Chelsea and Brighton who aren't much better or worse than Utd. Chelsea can go level on points with Utd if they win their 2 games in hand.
It's just where the team is at the minute, yeah, we can blame ETH for his tactics and the massive gaping hole in midfield every week. But you also look at the players as well, they really just aren't good enough.