Yeah I think he's leaving at the exact right time from his POV.
Slightly different scenarios as Fergie's squad cruised the league and I still refuse to believe that any half decent manager couldn't have made a couple of signings and kept us at absolute lowest. 4th place.
No I agree, a decent manager right after Fergie would have still had us top 4 but the squad we had for those last 4 or 5 years was only consistently challenging for the title year after year because of Fergie. 09-13 I don't think we had a particularly exceptional squad but we had a truly great manager who got everything out of the players.
sell liverpool down the river over a minority share in a racehorse?
I for one would have loved this
I've never got this line of thinking.
Klopp will be remembered as Liverpools best manager in the Premier League era, and it’s not really close. The guy who brought them the title after +30 years. He will still be below SAF, Pep and Wenger in the PL Manager hierachy.
Up there with Mancini, Ranieri and Pellegrini.
The rivalry between SAF and Wenger, then Klopp and Pep. Apparently, Klopp will be ranked higher than Wenger in terms of achievements. But they can’t be compared fairly because Wenger spent most of time under a bit financial constraints due to their stadium construction.
This is a good question. There is a definite bias in the media, but one CL win (vs Spurs in the final) and one PL win (in a season with no fans) would suggest to me that there were definitely mentality issues in his teams.
Fergie and Wenger went blow for blow from 98-04, with United winning 4 titles and Arsenal winning 3. City have won 5 PL titles in the last 6 years - that can barely even be called a rivalry with Liverpool, and it is incomparable to Fergie vs Wenger.
Most of the younger folks will only really remember Wenger’s later years when they weren’t competitive. That rivalry was as bitter as it got at its peak. Klopp and Pep isn’t remotely comparable.
I still get pissed off whenever I see that ugly scrotum Martin Keown on my tv screen after the way him and his pals teamed up on Van Nistelrooy. There's never been anything resembling that level of animosity between City and Liverpool.
That's harsh on those. None of them relied on a pandemic riddled season to get them over the line.
Wenger is definitely above Klopp for me. Three league titles with two of them being League/Cup double seasons. Then there’s the whole invincible thing. Klopp has the CL.
Some of the 115 charges relate to the seasons in which Pellegrini and Mancini won it though
Just read some of the posts on here. People think he’s amazing and it’s only city that have stopped them sweeping up everything. Which is blatantly false
And none of them needed 9 seasons to win a single title either
This is the Klopp thread, not an analysis of the 2020/21 season.
Erm, you mean the 19/20 season?
No. Most of that season was played under normal circumstances and we were miles clear with 10 to go when football stopped in March 2020.
He must do, because they only won the league once so he can’t have mistaken it.
Do you genuinely believe that football stopping due to Covid in March 2020 impacted the outcome of the title "race" that season?
It could have gone either way up until the stoppage for Covid. Was practially a different sport when football came back.
I'm being deadly serious, there were more subs, water breaks. Not to mention no fans in the stadium and the long break itself that benefitted Liverpool more than City.
I don't think anyone has said this, they've just said he'd have 3 PL titles instead of 1? That would then transform his achievements quite considerably.
No. I often read that he was unlucky to come up against an oil city and would have won more if not for them. Which in itself is true but not what is being implied. He would have one league title more. It’s not city that stopped them winning more, it’s Leicester, Man Utd, Chelsea all the other teams he’s finished behind and got knocked out of cups to
Haven’t they finished 2nd twice by 1 point? Don’t think anyone has said they’d have magically won more where City aren’t directly involved but seems highly likely they’d have the extra PL wins.
As much as it's funny to wind them up about this (and I suspect this is what you're trying here), they effectively had the title wrapped up anyway.
It definitely gets brought up as if he's finished second behind them every season since he arrived in Liverpool, rather than the same number of times as Manchester United.
So you're saying that despite Liverpool being 25 points ahead with 9 games left, under normal circumstances (no Covid) City would have clawed that back and Liverpool would've collapsed? A Liverpool team with 27 wins, 1 draw and 1 loss from 29 games?
Exactly
Replace he was close with he was actually in title races with them, unlike United.
