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So ETH hasn’t enough players for position and 400 million spent is thrown at him.To be fair to Potter, if I remember correctly he didn't have a preseason and he didn't finish the season. I was unimpressed by his work but at the same time, Chelsea had something like 40 or 50 players, it was one of the biggest mess ever with many players that weren't wanted or couldn't play enough. The stress that this situation created was probably too much especially when you are not an established name.
And 181 we can confirm are bonkers. Is that how it works?76 people on here so far we can confirm are crackers.
Right but he didn't do it and fell away massively to get sacked mid season. Then he gave Leicester a big turnaround for 1.5 seasons before nosediving again.Rodger’s was a Slippy G moment and stupid palace result from winning the league with Pool.
What good is absolute sums if the money is allocated poorly?So ETH hasn’t enough players for position and 400 million spent is thrown at him.
But Potter deserves sympathy for inheriting a stronger squad that spent nearly 400 million in the January window potter was there ? hmmm
What are you talking about?So ETH hasn’t enough players for position and 400 million spent is thrown at him.
But Potter deserves sympathy for inheriting a stronger squad that spent nearly 400 million in the January window potter was there ? hmmm
Yeh, but we’ve had managers better than rodgers who couldn’t even get us in the top 4.Right but he didn't do it and fell away massively to get sacked mid season. Then he gave Leicester a big turnaround for 1.5 seasons before nosediving again.
Did you fall asleep in a time capsule before we signed fellaini and only wake up today ? Are you saying United has been allocating money well ?What good is absolute sums if the money is allocated poorly?
And yet, this manager got us 3rd with 2 finals in his first crack.Yeh, but we’ve had managers better than rodgers who couldn’t even get us in the top 4.
No, I'm saying the opposite. We spent poorly for a decade before ten hag so this "he had £400m thrown at him" argument holds little weight when it's been spent poorly.Did you fall asleep in a time capsule before we signed fellaini and only wake up today ? Are you saying United has been allocating money well ?
Emery should stay at Villa for CL. Regardless of ETH future this summer , I’d rather a manager like him comes in next summer after a season of Purge.And yet, this manager got us 3rd with 2 finals in his first crack.
Not saying Ten Hag is the guy per say, and I'm certainly not saying this season is anything outside of a flunk. But he's had one good season and one shit season.
Ange has currently had one very good season, and the jury is very much out on him. Emery I think has done very well with Villa and shown great consistency but hel be entering a period where teams start to lull under a coach next year, and I'd love to see how he does with it. I rate Emery so I hope he keeps Villa punching above their weight.
I agreeNo, I'm saying the opposite. We spent poorly for a decade before ten hag so this "he had £400m thrown at him" argument holds little weight when it's been spent poorly.
Id rather we spend £150m well than waste the majority of £400m.
Being played at CB because every defender was injured. Very different situation.I wasn’t comparing him in any other way than how they used players in different positions. Sure carrick and fletcher were playing CB in a game together.
I have an issue that Weghorst was the best the club could offer a man United manager as a starting striker. Maybe have a think about that,
And in general even well run clubs mostly make subpar coaching appointments.Being played at CB because every defender was injured. Very different situation.
The club being badly run doesn’t mean the manager isn’t bad. Both can be true. And if the people at the top are clueless, there is every chance that they chose someone not good enough.
It’ll get worse under any of those 3 and we’ll be stuck with them long termPosts like this really crack me up when we're getting humiliated on a bi-weekly basis under Hag, virtually all season.
How can you fairly judge a manager at a badly run club ?Being played at CB because every defender was injured. Very different situation.
The club being badly run doesn’t mean the manager isn’t bad. Both can be true. And if the people at the top are clueless, there is every chance that they chose someone not good enough.
Well run clubs don’t need great managers all the time. This is the position I come from on this discussion. If we are well run we don’t need “the next big thing”.And in general even well run clubs mostly make subpar coaching appointments.
They won’t be sacked in the short term that much can be guaranteed . They’ll want to give them a chance as they choose him as the man to change our fortunes aroundIt'll definitely get worse under Hag.
Take a gamble on De Zerbi or even Potter and if they feck up, sack them too. That's what clubs that win do.
At the trajectory we're on with this insipid loser mentality I can guarantee Chelsea will beat us to winning another major title before we even come close.
Clubs that win have an actual plan that includes having a competent transfer policy that can get players in/out that a manager needs.It'll definitely get worse under Hag.
Take a gamble on De Zerbi or even Potter and if they feck up, sack them too. That's what clubs that win do.
At the trajectory we're on with this insipid loser mentality I can guarantee Chelsea will win a major title before we even come close.
That's not the point, well run clubs make poor appointments all the time, that's why they sack managers at a fairly high clip.Well run clubs don’t need great managers all the time. This is the position I come from on this discussion. If we are well run we don’t need “the next big thing”.
How can you fairly judge a manager at a badly run club ?
Never ever we should have a negative goal difference and play this bad.
If it’s alright by you to be outclassed on the pitch by every team in the prem, I don’t know what I can say.
No way we are this bad. The manager should do better.
True. The difference is they don’t keep the manager too long when they see it’s not gonna make it.And in general even well run clubs mostly make subpar coaching appointments.
That's part of being well run. You spot your mistake and try to fix it quickly.True. The difference is they don’t keep the manager too long when they see it’s not gonna make it.
Real, Liverpool, City have had longevity. Sure they had the best managers around but if you take say, Bayern, they jumped the gun too early on Nagelsmann and look pretty stupid for doing so. Arsenal kept faith in a novice and went levels above. Xavi is leaving Barca on his own terms. Chelsea are a shit show under Boehly so yeah, sure they are on a firing spree. But it looks like Poch will get a fair shake.That's not the point, well run clubs make poor appointments all the time, that's why they sack managers at a fairly high clip.
Do you think , the way United have been so poor in the transfer market that things would have been much better ? Really ? We can’t even build a half decent squad for any manager we’ve had over 2/3 seasons , every manager has inherited a hodge podge unbalanced squad and you think having a higher turnover would of been better ?True. The difference is they don’t keep the manager too long when they see it’s not gonna make it.
It’s one part of being well run. Not being well run , why do people think United would be doing better because of better run clubs make it work ?That's part of being well run. You spot your mistake and try to fix it quickly.
You can make the argument that sacking in rage quit moments doesn't do any good either. Chelsea look no better after the Potter experiment was given up on, Bayern looked much worse after getting rid of Nagelsmann.It’s one part of being well run. Not being well run , why do people think United would be doing better because of better run clubs make it work ?
Honestly , I don’t think potter is good enough as a long term manager , but it INEOs hired him effectively as an interim to help them rebuild (which could mean a sh/8t sesson next year) so that a suitable manager can walk into an actual competent club with more balanced squad , I’d be ok with that. I’m ok with next season being sh*t next season if it’s used just to gut the squad.You can make the argument that sacking in rage quit moments doesn't do any good either. Chelsea look no better after the Potter experiment was given up on, Bayern looked much worse after getting rid of Nagelsmann.
Yes I also want a huge purge. I think itl probably happen, maybe not to a degree that we all want.Honestly , I don’t think potter is good enough as a long term manager , but it INEOs hired him effectively as an interim to help them rebuild (which could mean a sh/8t sesson next year) so that a suitable manager can walk into an actual competent club with more balanced squad , I’d be ok with that. I’m ok with next season being sh*t next season if it’s used just to gut the squad.
Thats why I’m ok if ETH agrees to do what’s told. For me it’s not about ETH, it’s all about what INEOs need to do to turn things around after 11 years of Glazers waste.
I don’t want any big name signings this summer. I want a huge purge.
Yeh we won’t get what we want this summer but id love to see carnage.Yes I also want a huge purge. I think itl probably happen, maybe not to a degree that we all want.
For example I can see us moving on the likes of Wan Bissaka, Greenwood, Lindelof, Casemiro, Varane pretty swiftly.
McTominay, Rashford and Maguire may hang around though.
No, we don’t! We can break the rinse and repeat cycle of a new manager, new playing style, new squad every 2 years and actually build something coherent and successful. It just needs a bit of resolve and bravery.I think we probably have to change managers
Why do you think Ten Hag is good enough to deserve that?No, we don’t! We can break the rinse and repeat cycle of a new manager, new playing style, new squad every 2 years and actually build something coherent and successful. It just needs a bit of resolve and bravery.
Look at the pay off Arsenal have made for their faith in Arteta when the fans wanted him out. It’s time we tried something different, instead of blindly sacking the manager everytime we hit adversity.
Well at least 2 people have taken you the wrong way so perhaps you want to be clearer next time. What staff are you referring to?No offence but I genuinely have no idea how you got from what I said to what you said.
That's like the third time that's happened with someone today on this forum (taking something I've written, applying some strange leap of logic with no grounding in what I actually said, and trying to shut down my argument by association with the stupid premise they've come up with) but this is the most bizarre of the lot.
Basically it seems with some people if you try and apply a bit of nuance and reason you'll get shot down because it doesn't involve screaming sack the manager.
As above, I'm fairly certain you know I don't mean the tea ladies.
Flipping the question, this is Ten Hag's first poor performance in management. He had a good first season and a bad second season with us - what makes you so certain that Ten Hag isn't good enough to have one more season?Why do you think Ten Hag is good enough to deserve that?
That is all true, especially the chaos imposed on him by the daft American owner. There's no doubt that Potter was masterful with Brighton and on at least one occasion completely outclassed United tactically, although I may be confusing him with the dozens of managers who have tactically outclassed United managers in recent years.To be fair to Potter, if I remember correctly he didn't have a preseason and he didn't finish the season. I was unimpressed by his work but at the same time, Chelsea had something like 40 or 50 players, it was one of the biggest mess ever with many players that weren't wanted or couldn't play enough. The stress that this situation created was probably too much especially when you are not an established name.
Quite possibly but they are two sides of the same coin. Yes we've been poorly run laughably so in fact and the biggest aspect of that has been instead of any sort of footballing structure we've basically just given a succession of average or past it managers free reign to build squads and identify a load average players that largely because of this structure we've had to pay over the odds for (and yes the managers dont decide fees but their decisions do affect them). Not least in every season we've been without CL football and had to pay huge fees and wages to attract players. And this of course compounds as we end up with loads average/past it/unsuited players we cant shift etc etc. You know the rest.Im not disagreeing with a fair bit of that. Where we seem to differ is the level of responsibility a manager has on transfers.
I would explain how I see things this season and how I view it overall but it seems to enrage people to try and expand on the state of things outside of “ETH is not good enough”. And yet alit of people accept there’s a lot of shA*t before and during his tenure that’s made things harder.
I could list a load of things but it doesn’t seem to matter. There’s plenty of examples of quality managers were teams went to sh*t for different reasons. There’s examples of managers doing well at some clubs and not at others for different reasons.
Im not trying to convince anyone of anything. I don’t actually care if most fans want him gone but I don’t understand why so many fans in here care why some fans are not calling for his head. The glazers don’t listen to us so what we discuss in her makes no difference, so why are people saying stuff like “now wonder uniteds standards have dropped with fans still wanting him”? That makes no sense.
Ironically I feel it’s the relentless focus on managerial turnover that’s been holding us back. If we’d of hired the exact same managers the last 12 years but actually had all things right behind the scenes we would have done far far better. How could we not do better by spending less on players, less on contracts , get more on sales , move on players faster.
I'm sorry but I don't understand the question.It’s one part of being well run. Not being well run , why do people think United would be doing better because of better run clubs make it work ?
Right, we should have keep Moyes then. Less turnover, the better.Do you think , the way United have been so poor in the transfer market that things would have been much better ? Really ? We can’t even build a half decent squad for any manager we’ve had over 2/3 seasons , every manager has inherited a hodge podge unbalanced squad and you think having a higher turnover would of been better ?
Because said badly ran club hired him?How can you fairly judge a manager at a badly run club ?
Because the club spent nearly half a billion on the players he wanted?How can you fairly judge a manager at a badly run club ?