Not sure to be honest, I assumed he was talking about Ten Hag. It would be a strange thread to make that claim about Pochettino without clarifying.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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Think you’re mixing him up with another poster called The Shed End
Yes
You have some weird fantasies dude
It's funny how people seem to completely forget how bad we are in these breaks between games and somehow convince themselves he's worth more time.
Turning point for me was the Fulham game at home. Before then we had scraped some results. You either need results or an at least an appearance of improving. We have had neither. Of course we fans don't know what goes on in the training ground, which players are really trying and who has checked out but the most annoying thing for me is that EtH has rarely tried anything different. Against Pool in the cup he was forced to play Amad and it worked. Despite all the full back injuries he still seems to have messed that up.
Surely he could try 3 at the back, a false 9, rest Bruno or just something to stop the last few months of chaos ball. It is the acceptance of mediocrity that gets me, and I was happy when we hired him, last season and even first 10 or so games of this season.
Surely he could try 3 at the back, a false 9, rest Bruno or just something to stop the last few months of chaos ball. It is the acceptance of mediocrity that gets me, and I was happy when we hired him, last season and even first 10 or so games of this season.
No offence but I genuinely have no idea how you got from what I said to what you said.
That's like the third time that's happened with someone today on this forum (taking something I've written, applying some strange leap of logic with no grounding in what I actually said, and trying to shut down my argument by association with the stupid premise they've come up with) but this is the most bizarre of the lot.
Basically it seems with some people if you try and apply a bit of nuance and reason you'll get shot down because it doesn't involve screaming sack the manager.
As above, I'm fairly certain you know I don't mean the tea ladies.
Absolutely not. He’s proven that he cannot coach a competent style of play in this league based on 14 months worth of evidence.
If I'd have asked you at the start of the season if Villa and Spurs have better players than us, you'd have fecking laughed. Everyone would. I bet we could go back to the season prediction thread and there's probably absolutely nobody talking about them finishing above us. It's just revisionism, and has come about because Emery has continued his good work, and the impact of Postecoglu. Which is the crux of this argument ie the impact of a good manager.
Absolutely. Shocking stat.
I don't think I have it in me to watch another year of Ten Hag ball.
He's still wrong even with that. Villa nor Spurs would expect to concede 20 shots per game. It's not that results are just terrible, it's that our performances are even worse. This is why this Ten Haag discussion is so frustrating. People keep diverting the conversation from what the issues really are.
a. You have people bringing up transfer failures
b. You have people bringing up players downing tools
c. You have people bringing up poor results
d. People blaming injuries
e. People blaming structure
The fact of the matter is our team has performed terribly in almost every game this season. The team should never perform that badly. It's also quite clear that it's this bad due to the tactics we are employing in every game consistently. No structure would fix what's happened on the pitch this season. No top club would accept how the team has performed under Ten Haag this season. The fact that people are even coming up with these excuses just shows how far we are as a club in our thinking of modern football. The whole point of the structure is to have a figure who understands football to hold the manager and the recruitment team accountable without us having to restart a rebuild every time we have a manager departing. That's why this conversation is so funny. Some fans are using the excuse of not having the structures in place to validate Ten Haag. When the reality is this structure is meant to protect the club from managers like him, so that money is spent responsibly, managers are assessed effectively and decisions are quick and decisive (including terminations).
All of the above post can be true with our without a bad manager in place. Unfortunately, it's all true along with a manager not cut for this club or league.
He had my vote of confidence but I gave up that hope by end of December and it just seems nothing is going to progress from here on. If the club is restructuring everything else might as well bring a new manager and assistant staff to work with the new ethos and philosophy, so long as it's not uninspiring dross like Potter and Southgate or the club is just taking a sidestep or worse, going backwards.
He had my vote of confidence but I gave up that hope by end of December and it just seems nothing is going to progress from here on. If the club is restructuring everything else might as well bring a new manager and assistant staff to work with the new ethos and philosophy, so long as it's not uninspiring dross like Potter and Southgate or the club is just taking a sidestep or worse, going backwards.
It's fine. The only reason he is still here is because when we sack him we want to agree a termination fee without any of his performance related bonuses included in the discussion. Even thought it's nigh on impossible to get CL now until it's mathematically impossible it would be a point of negotiation.
Zero possibility that we build a magnificent new footballing with a new CEO, TD, DoF all with huge amounts of experience in the game at the top level, and they then sit on their hands and let ETH have another season like this where we have dominated zero games all season.
And then people get upset when you say the fanbase in general has a manager cult problem. We could literally be 10th or 12th right now, as we should be, and nothing would change. We have people saying with a straight face that we are not underperforming this season.
It would be nice to have a public poll. It was fine for the Qatar takeover or previous new manager polls.
And before anyone else says I want to target people, I mean to see how many oppo fans are voting for him to stay in.
All of them probably.
Can't argue with them.
If he is given one more season serious questions have to be asked of Ratcliffe and company. He definitely won't be given one more season. Also if Southgate comes in I'll be boycotting all Utd games and burning my season ticket.
Spurs last season and now this season. Villa under Gerrard and now a good manager.
Two reasons alone, beyond the absolute shore football we have played for almost 2 season, that ETH shouldn’t even be picking a team this weekend, let alone be here next season. He’s comically out of his depth.
Two reasons alone, beyond the absolute shore football we have played for almost 2 season, that ETH shouldn’t even be picking a team this weekend, let alone be here next season. He’s comically out of his depth.
Emery has done a sound job at Villa. However Ange is still in year one. Second season lulls are a thing, and if we want to be consistent we should look at how Ten Hags debut year was relative to Ange.
You only need to consider the likes of say, Brendan Rogers at Leicester to know how things can sour quickly after 1.5-2 seasons
Ultimately, it’s hard to see how ETH can get another year unless INEOs are sort of using it like a “Interim” manager kind of role that gives them another year to fix up the structure , that includes squad building for the longer term (over buying players for any manager).
I don’t think ETH should be kept because we can’t be sure, I can see why it might make sense if we can have a year of purging, possibly a really tough season and come out stronger next summer (for whoever might take over). Or maybe ETH works better with INEOs structure and suits what they plan.
I envisage a future where replacing managers shouldn’t really be a problem , but that could take time to gear the club for that. Why can’t there be a Avram Grant, Matteo , Mancini or a half decent manager (like the way Barca and Bayern seem to be able to throw relative unknowns in as their manager) doing well at United ?
Rodger’s was a Slippy G moment and stupid palace result from winning the league with Pool.
Don’t ever compare SAF to ETH. If you have no issues with how WW was used, you are totally blind. You may well call ETH a Messiah and we will be done with it. No need to discuss when it’s a religious matter.
Bizarre. People are terrified of change?
I think United spends elite level funds and has
Elite level expectations with a squad that’s simply not elite level. We have a mish mash of players quality players and players just not good enough and players who have not grown up in an elite squad so just don’t know how to take things to the next level.
I wasn’t comparing him in any other way than how they used players in different positions. Sure carrick and fletcher were playing CB in a game together.
I have an issue that Weghorst was the best the club could offer a man United manager as a starting striker. Maybe have a think about that,
The decision to sack ten Hag would be an easy one if a suitable upgrade were available.
What's the latest thinking on who, realistically, would be that upgrade? If anyone here is on board with Southgate or Potter, please speak up.
What's the latest thinking on who, realistically, would be that upgrade? If anyone here is on board with Southgate or Potter, please speak up.
If they’re the only 3 options then I agree but I don’t buy it. I think Ineos can get someone like Enrique. Huge club in an exciting new era
Hire one of those 3 and I guarantee you that by the end of their tenure you’ll be wishing we hadn’t
Id originally responded earlier and my post got accidentally deleted.
Why are referencing other posters, what’s that got to do with what I’ve posted ? Where have I said everything is ok with ETH?
Id originally responded earlier and my post got accidentally deleted.
Regarding the poll.
No. Once the manager tries telling me to see things which are not there or happening (i.e he’s talking a load of rubbish) then he’s lost me. “We played well” no we didn’t stop lying and stop trying to gaslight us. His tactics are allover the place he’s done.
No. Once the manager tries telling me to see things which are not there or happening (i.e he’s talking a load of rubbish) then he’s lost me. “We played well” no we didn’t stop lying and stop trying to gaslight us. His tactics are allover the place he’s done.
I don’t buy that Potter and co would be our only options. I think people would be surprised at the names who came up if Ineos leaked every manager who has declared an interest in the role
That's the entire point of good to elite managers and what separates them from the rest. Elite players and teams don't appear out of nowhere, they are coached and developed in ways that lead to reaching elite level. Most players reach or are at the door of elite level before ever being surrounded by elite players, that's what lead them to their transfer to a big club.
The way some of you talk about these things, you would think that United players and United are completely removed from the Football world. Our manager shouldn't be judged like every other manager and our players are somehow totally different to every other professional footballers including their own selves because none of the things you guys are suggesting apply to the players that we signed when they were with their previous clubs especially CL winners, CL finalists or Euro finalists.
Fair enough. I have my doubts, but they are only doubts. I'm not prepared to argue that Potter would necessarily be in over his head at OT, but he clearly was in over his head at Stamford Bridge. It seems so long ago now, but did he even finish one season?
Im not disagreeing with a fair bit of that. Where we seem to differ is the level of responsibility a manager has on transfers.
I would explain how I see things this season and how I view it overall but it seems to enrage people to try and expand on the state of things outside of “ETH is not good enough”. And yet alit of people accept there’s a lot of shA*t before and during his tenure that’s made things harder.
I could list a load of things but it doesn’t seem to matter. There’s plenty of examples of quality managers were teams went to sh*t for different reasons. There’s examples of managers doing well at some clubs and not at others for different reasons.
Im not trying to convince anyone of anything. I don’t actually care if most fans want him gone but I don’t understand why so many fans in here care why some fans are not calling for his head. The glazers don’t listen to us so what we discuss in her makes no difference, so why are people saying stuff like “now wonder uniteds standards have dropped with fans still wanting him”? That makes no sense.
Ironically I feel it’s the relentless focus on managerial turnover that’s been holding us back. If we’d of hired the exact same managers the last 12 years but actually had all things right behind the scenes we would have done far far better. How could we not do better by spending less on players, less on contracts , get more on sales , move on players faster.
There are undoubtedly some brilliant young managers out there worth the gamble when asked to step up to the largest stage in British football, but who are they?
No he didn't and he was massively over his head. I wouldnt rate him as a leader of men or motivator at all (especially all that emotional intelligence masters bullshit) but he's a far better coach and tactician than ETH.
But still, even if he's the worst we could do in the summer it'd still be an upgrade.
To be fair to Potter, if I remember correctly he didn't have a preseason and he didn't finish the season. I was unimpressed by his work but at the same time, Chelsea had something like 40 or 50 players, it was one of the biggest mess ever with many players that weren't wanted or couldn't play enough. The stress that this situation created was probably too much especially when you are not an established name.
