Or more likely just 1.
He won the league with PSG in both of his full seasons.
His Dortmund side were great to watch to be fair.
He managed 50% of that 3rd season and got sacked, at that point he had a worse point per game rate than Poch ended the season with. So yes, he fecked up one league in France.
Cause they still had Klopp in them, his team and his football have gotten steadily worse with every season post taking over from Klopp.
It's still an improvement over last season. Also Stuttgart is the best ever third placed team in the history of the league at this point. Bayern sit in a sandwich of exceptional sides this season, and yes you can use as an argument against Tuchel that HE should be the manager of one of the two exceptional teams, that's fair. But it's also not the case that he is getting terrible results.
A Klopp team that barely scraped to 6th in Klopp's final season and that Tuchel massively improved in regard of possession play.
Not that I want to be a defender of Tuchel but isn't some of the Dortmund drop off caused by selling/losing most of their best players we bought a few of them
Which tells you everything about his competence as a league manager, if Dortmund didn’t feck up, he’d have 2 full season with no titles and pitiful points totals despite managing Bayern.
Well ignore Dortmund, tell me just one club he’s improved?
I don't think "they still had Klopp in them" is at all a fair argument given the position he left them in, the immediate change in style of play, and the change of players to facilitate a more controlled game.
He got PSG to a CL final, the only manager to do so since they got taken over and they’ve had some top managers in that time. He then won the thing with Chelsea when everyone had City as heavy favourites for that game. Everyone knows he’d be a short term appointment, I think we need to move on from this idea that every manager should be a Sir Alex type that’s here for over 20 years. If we get the right structure in place we should be able to chop and change managers without it being a huge detriment to the team.
I could accept a short term manager who has some really great league performances, but why would we hire this guy who has no great league pedigree? What are we trying to do in the short term or certainly not gonna win the Champions League next year? Are we?
jumping the gun a bit there aren’t we? He’ll need to beat Madrid first.
Considering that you won't even play in the CL next season of course you aren't winning it. But with Tuchel you should have a shot of winning the EL/ECL. His league pedigree is probably better as you say, and after all he is a pragmatic manager who always finds solutions for his squad. As I think we all agree the current United squad is a Frankenstein disaster and probably won't be fixed in a single transfer window it would absolutely make sense to appoint a manager who will use the players available and integrate them into a stable setup while the new board keeps fixing the squad. Will he be the right one to do that final step? Maybe not. But he surely is an excellent choice for the upcoming consolidation period.
Oh shit I must've missed the semis!
Did you realise that was my point right? And Utd shouldn’t ever be appointing a manager because he might win the Europa league.
Hah! I thought Bayern vs Real was the final, clearly haven't paid enough attention.
I watched the second half only but thought they did well. They were a bit unlucky at times in certain passages, and should have had a pen in my opinion. They pressed City well and forced turnovers in dangerous areas. I don't know what happened in the first half but I watched the second half and thought they'll be good once they get a few players back next season. They're missing their first choice front 3, midfielders and defenders, and the quality in backup is not the same level. Far worse than or own issues in my opinion.
I should have been more clear but yes, that is exactly what my definition of awful is in this case. Although I think what Ten Hag has been doing here isn't that exciting to watch either.
Hm, in terms of squad management maybe but not in terms of the football. He's a modern coach and he's still going to build on what Ten Hag drilled into the squad, uses high pressing, positional play etc.
Very accurate analogy and how I feel with regards to his management. Tuchel's strengths as a manager overlay Erik's current weaknesses but because of the lack of an appealing philosophy it's not a long term appointment but a short term resolution. I'm of the mind that Erik's tenure at United is untenable, another season with him at the helm further foresters instability, having someone come in to resolve the present tactical shortcomings could help this team and hierarchy identify a more decisive candidate in the longer term view for management.
Who's gonna get us challenging for the league next year?
Nobody is getting this team challenging for the league title, the hope is to make the squad younger and with more upside and hope that they start to show signs of being a competent team. Even top 4 is unlikely for whoever is manager next year.
No-one is likely to get us challenging next year, but I’d hope the new structure identifies a manager they think fits their vision and work towards a future title push.
I agree with most of what you said. Just on the bolded part - I haven't watched much of his Bayern team but I watched a lot of Chelsea during his time there and the way he transformed their team from a shambles that was leaking goals under Lampard to one which was tight at back with the likes of Azpilicueta and Zouma playing CB, leading them to the Champions League trophy, two domestic cup finals and earning back to back top 4 finishes... that was undoubtedly impressive. I wouldn't have any concerns about whether he would make us a more well-organised team. I do have other concerns though about his man-management and whether we would play frontfoot, attacking football.
Fair enough. Based on what Ratcliffe has said about establishing a playing style and not flip-flapping around it, Tuchel doesn't seem a likely route I suppose.
I missed that. What rumours about Tuchel? Something new?
It's about the right structure next year, and setting expectations. I think that's the main thing.
Wins matches, plays entertaining football, and manages big egos well. Treble doesn't hurt either.
