Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager

Should ETH be kept on or fired by INEOS

  • Yes, keep. Let’s see how he does under the new management

    Votes: 375 30.2%

  • No, fire him. I’ve seen enough.

    Votes: 866 69.8%
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Woziak said:
Please give me your ratings Eric?
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Why are you calling me Eric? Because i think your ratings are way too harsh, i must be ETH? That is pretty lame dont you think?

Malacia was fairly cheap, had some good games but had the misfortune to miss this season with a bad injury and now he is championship quality and brittle? Players can miss a lot off football with a bad injury without being brittle. Happend to Roy Keane even. Malacia also is exactly the transfer people cry out for. Young players with potential to grow.

Eriksen came on a free (which is important for you since you use it as something against the Mount transfer), had a decent year but is also a bad transfer now? For a player who came on a free and isnt actually on that high of a wage for a free transfer player.

Then there is the weird Hojlund has a t-rex running style comment and that he needs to learn how to run? Even when he is one of the fastest players in the league?

Also using the 7 shirt against Mount (and ETH) is weird in my opinion. After Owen, Valencia and di Maria wore that shirt, it isnt like Mason Mount shouldnt be allowed to wear it.
 

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Ineos too busy still learning the lessons from all their shit decisions at Nice to stop making them at United.
 

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golden_blunder said:
If anyone thinks like that then they are stuck in football manager world.
Replacing ETH is just one building block in building a solid foundation. At the moment it’s like our foundation has pyrite and despite throwing new kitchens, bathrooms at it, cracks are showing. So we need to dig up that concrete structure and start right
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Yeah there's no doubt he has failed to deliver. I'm in a lot of doubt if anyone else could have done any better while also attempting to modernise the football. Bottom line is that everyone out there can see we are a joke of a club so anybody who cares about their reputation more than money gives us a swerve.
 

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Let’s rate his signings;

Onana - 3.5/10 ; Cost CL Football this year
Bayinder - 4/10; Clearly not elite or he would have taken Onana Position
Tyrel Malacia - 3/10 never looked more than a Championship player and clearly too brittle for PL
Lysandro Martinez - 6.5/10 excellent first season but awful second, hardly available and guilty for mistakes when he played
Johnny Evans - 5.5/10 been one of our best CB’s this season when he’s played
Casemiro - 5/10 Very good first season, exceptionally bad second season, legs have gone no resale value and his £18m weekly wages are stinking the place out right now.
C Eriksen - 4/10 Ok first season, huge wages, legs have gone, week mentally
M Mount - 2/10 overpaid for a sick note, gave him number 7 shirt and could have got him free this summer, 1 goal 1 assist and less than 10 appearances
Antony - 0.5/10 Categorically the worst signing in the clubs history, no pace, no sublime skills, no assists, no goals just a short imp who actually believes he’s world class, the absolute worst kind of player, so bad I’d swap Di Maria or Alexis Sanchez even at their age right now for this numpty!
R Hoijlund - 4/10 has shown glimpses of elite ability but looks very undeveloped as an overall 9, can’t hold the ball up, not creative, doesn’t make the right runs in and out of the box and what’s with his weird T rex style runing style, He can be developed but first I’d get Usain Bolt to teach him to run first and you that explosive pace he clearly has, then get RVP in to show him to show up on games, but one to keep with Lysandro all the rest can go!
Amrabat - 3/10 not up to it , but should have been given more chances to play more regularly lucky it only cost a £9m loan fee.

Summary
ETH has actually done something most thought impossible, he’s signed players that are much worse than even David Moyes, I’d take Mata and Feillani over most of those in a heartbeat and now we can say that Moyes was not actually that bad!
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Terrible ratings.
 

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hobbers said:
Ineos too busy still learning the lessons from all their shit decisions at Nice to stop making them at United.
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This is kinda ridiculous, they've been here for a matter of months and out two main hires have not even been formerly engaged.

The season is over, nothing they do now is going to change that. Nothing is going to really give us a chance at beating city in the final.

Finally, this is on the GLAZERS, please don't be so blinded that we forget the true evil...
 

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Rooney said this was happening under LVG I believe, I don't think it can be ruled out this season.
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Personally don't think it's happening. But you can see why it would be better for a players reputation to be injured atm rather than playing in this disaster of a formation.
 

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When he said we are the most entertaining team, he was absolutely right...if entertainment is watching our goal get absolutely plastered with 30 odd shots per game.

He's not wrong there.
 

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Now I really see what a few people were talking about a couple of months ago.

There are supporters who look like personal ETH fans and not Manchester United ones, trying desperately to grab any straws to defend him ferociously.

He is not even handsome with amazing personality, dude looks like easter egg reject. And speaks with the charisma of drunken man, who just woke up next to a bunch of trash cans.
Why so much unconditional love for this guy?
I don't get it.
 

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pcaming said:
This is kinda ridiculous, they've been here for a matter of months and out two main hires have not even been formerly engaged.

The season is over, nothing they do now is going to change that. Nothing is going to really give us a chance at beating city in the final.
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Rubbish. Getting rid of Ten Hag will increase the chance of winning the cup, however fractionally small that increase might be. Would also significantly increase the chances of getting results at Newcastle and Brighton and salvaging Europa league football.

Ineos apparently either dont understand that or dont care, neither of which reflects well on them.

They dont need Ashworth around to sack a manager now when apparently everyone at the club, including the players, expect him to be sacked by the end of May anyway. They are the owners, the buck stops with them, not Ashworth and Wilcox.
 

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But this is a thread about a specific thing. Which people will then comment on.
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Of course, it is, I'm not suggesting otherwise

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People aren't going to be saying "Yeah this is bad. But not as bad as when Walkers changed the flavour of my favourite crisps. Free Palestine" in a thread about the Manchester United manager because the other two things have nothing to do with the subject matter.
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Made me laugh :)

I'm not saying the two are alike, or linked, or anything else for that matter. I'm suggesting some people could do with a bit of perspective and pointing out examples of things that are so much worse than losing a few games / your team playing badly.

Some of the histrionics are way over the top, people accusing Ten Hag of being 'clueless', a 'disgrace', acting like they know exactly what is going on, and passing judgement without any real insight or expertise.

He mightn't be able to cope with the job at hand, nobody has for the last 10 years or so, but he's going about it in a fairly dignified manner (watch the Neville interview). He's also fronting the whole s***show on behalf of the club, which takes some balls - there's no need to be disrespectful and insulting.

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So bringing Ukraine into it makes no sense. The same people probably don't like what's going on there either. But they'd probably use that specific thread or forum to talk about it rather than randomly attach it to talk about the manager of the team they support in a failed "it could be worse" attempt at getting on a high horse.
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Response above covers
 

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Toshey said:
Now I really see what a few people were talking about a couple of months ago.

There are supporters who look like personal ETH fans and not Manchester United ones, trying desperately to grab any straws to defend him ferociously.

He is not even handsome with amazing personality, dude looks like easter egg reject. And speaks with the charisma of drunken man, who just woke up next to a bunch of trash cans.
Why so much unconditional love for this guy?
I don't get it.
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Some have invested so much personal stock in him that it's impossible for them to retract. Those few who had defended him vehemently but could not cross a certain line have jumped across to the other side in January/February, now it's too late for anyone to change their mind. Occasionally you will see doubts starting to creep in for one or two of them after the game, but permitted time to recover they quickly return back to their normal selves in 2-3 days. Also, once you hit certain levels of delusion you sort of immunize yourself to reality.
 

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Herschel Krustofsky said:
Some of the histrionics are way over the top, people accusing Ten Hag of being 'clueless', a 'disgrace', acting like they know exactly what is going on, and passing judgement without any real insight or expertise.

He mightn't be able to cope with the job at hand, nobody has for the last 10 years or so, but he's going about it in a fairly dignified manner (watch the Neville interview). He's also fronting the whole s***show on behalf of the club, which takes some balls - there's no need to be disrespectful and insulting.
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But he is.

There's nothing dignified about him desperately trying to cloak himself in excuses and gaslight the media and fans into thinking they are in the wrong for questioning his decisions and their results. He clearly cares solely about protecting his own image and ego, even more than Jose whenever he's in managerial death throws.
 

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Toshey said:
There are supporters who look like personal ETH fans and not Manchester United ones, trying desperately to grab any straws to defend him ferociously.
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There is no point defending ETH because he's clearly leaving in the summer. What is worth pointing out is that much of this is about a dysfunctional club and the difficulty of updating our footballing style with too many players past their sell by date. Sacking the coach won't change that.
 

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Swedish_Plumber said:
Hopefully they realise their own fates are sealed too the feckers.
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Nah, most of them will stay and some of them will even go on to have a good season under different manager that knows what he's doing.
 

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hobbers said:
But he is.

There's nothing dignified about him desperately trying to cloak himself in excuses and gaslight the media and fans into thinking they are in the wrong for questioning his decisions and their results. He clearly cares solely about protecting his own image and ego, even more than Jose whenever he's in managerial death throws.
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Yep basically. I don't really dislike him, but he is now going out very sad, setting the place on fire, matches in hand, yet blaming everyone else.
 

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hobbers said:
But he is.

There's nothing dignified about him desperately trying to cloak himself in excuses and gaslight the media and fans into thinking they are in the wrong for questioning his decisions and their results. He clearly cares solely about protecting his own image and ego, even more than Jose whenever he's in managerial death throws.
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We obviously see it differently.

Can you provide some examples (especially the bolded bits) so I can understand why you perceive him to be clueless and a disgrace - I'd like to understand your perspective.
 

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Herschel Krustofsky said:
We obviously see it differently.

Can you provide some examples (especially the bolded bits) so I can understand why you perceive him to be clueless and a disgrace - I'd like to understand your perspective.
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I dont need to give examples as to why he's clueless of course.

He banned journalists for criticising our FA cup performance. He called them "embarrassing" for making obvious, fair critiques of how we played then, and how we've played all season.
 

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Rubbish. Getting rid of Ten Hag will increase the chance of winning the cup, however fractionally small that increase might be. Would also significantly increase the chances of getting results at Newcastle and Brighton and salvaging Europa league football.

Ineos apparently either dont understand that or dont care, neither of which reflects well on them.

They dont need Ashworth around to sack a manager now when apparently everyone at the club, including the players, expect him to be sacked by the end of May anyway. They are the owners, the buck stops with them, not Ashworth and Wilcox.
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Well marginal gains is the Ineos ethos after all.
 

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Sarni said:
We still have 3 league games left and although we are unlikely to gather enough points to get even to an EL spot, it’s still important to try and save face. Besides that, we have the FA Cup final coming up and forget about winning it as we almost certainly won’t get close regardless of who’s in charge, we actually run the risk of historical embarrassment with this fool in charge. Would it actually surprise anyone to see City win 7-0 or 8-0 if they have their shooting boots on? They will definitely create enough chances to score 7-8, of that there is no doubt because we have already seen them do that against us twice this season, and we are even worse now than we were back then.

If INEOS are OK with that then my hopes for their reign are even lower than they already were.
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Yup and people are slagging the op in that other thread even though it's right what he's saying.
I just can't comprehend why they've not sacked him or even said anything.
All the good stuff they've done so far is now being overshadowed by their dithering or indecisiveness with him.
Can anyone take them seriously concerning this talk about best in class because it's looking like bullshit if they're not doing anything with this clown.
All this talk about needing Ashworth or Berrada to be here to sack him is nonsense too. As others have said its not like they've not been watching us since the sale started. Nothing needs to be analysed or discussed any more and it hasn't needed to be for months
 

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E-mal said:
I think our fan base are not the smartest about football. We have not been coached well for a very long time even in the last years of Fergie.
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So winning the premier league with an average squad was down to bad coaching………….
 

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It's not good enough.

Even if you have a poor season, you have to be able to see through the murk and identify some glimmers of hope that would suggest this is the man to recover the situation in better circumstances. Say with less injuries and another transfer window

With Erik unfortunately I think there is no foothold for him. His signings are nearly all poor which erodes his credibility even if it won't be his primary job going forward. There is no way of playing or structure. He doesn't seem to command the respect of this squad. There has been no consistency in the way we play football. His management of the press has descended into farce, which shows he is cracking rather than being ready for a fight next season.

Bleak.

The candidates are not overly appealing but keeping ETH based on no evidence we are going anywhere, one league cup being his only shield is even less appealing.
 

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What I've been saying. He is going nowhere before that, but he will be gone shortly after. Just have to be patient. In the meantime, just laugh at the beatings and see how bad it will get before that, or check out and wait for the new season.

What is more important now is who will be the next guy, and if the great INEOS have what it takes to clear out the squad? Because it can be done to a large degree this summer, and it must be done. Just need to have the will for it.
 

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Telsim said:
What is more important now is who will be the next guy, and if the great INEOS have what it takes to clear out the squad? Because it can be done to a large degree this summer, and it must be done. Just need to have the will for it.
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Can it though? This seems like magical thinking. You can't wave a chequebook in a few weeks and replace all the wrong players with all the right ones. That's not how it works or ETH wouldn't be in this mess.
 

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'Time is running out for him to secure his future' :lol:

Does anybody else remember the tweets a few months ago saying Ineos won't sack before summer 'unless the wheels really fall off'? Well, aren't we there yet? Just how low do they want us to sink?

Listening to Owen and Scholes, it seems like an absolute no-brainer to give it McClaren till the end of the season, at the very least.
 

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Swedish_Plumber said:
Hopefully they realise their own fates are sealed too the feckers.
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I really hope INEOs are reviewing how players have been responding to the tough season. For all the “ETH” is at fault for everything, sick and tired of players getting a pass.

And I don’t mean a pass from fans, I mean from the club. So many players the last 11 years , kept on with extended contracts or until their contracts ran out.
 

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'Time is running out for him to secure his future' :lol:

Does anybody else remember the tweets a few months ago saying Ineos won't sack before summer 'unless the wheels really fall off'? Well, aren't we there yet? Just how low do they want us to sink?

Listening to Owen and Scholes, it seems like an absolute no-brainer to give it McClaren till the end of the season, at the very least.
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Yeah FFS INEOS at least do that,maybe then there is a tiny chance of giving City a game at Wembley
 

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Can it though? This seems like magical thinking. You can't wave a chequebook in a few weeks and replace all the wrong players with all the right ones. That's not how it works or ETH wouldn't be in this mess.
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Course you can. ETH is in this mess because the blokes at the club haven't got the ability. Not because its impossible.
 
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