The only one anyone can point to were the first 45 mins away at Wolves and drawing such significant conclusions from mere 45 mins of football is probably not right.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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No issue from me, only 20 days to wait, and we might get Bayern to save us a pay off in the meantime.
Yeah...and in that match, you had 90% of our players fit
The funny thing is that Ten Hag has been moving towards a system that leaves tons of space for the opponents to exploit while filling the the team with mediocre athletes, Cas, Eriksen, Amrabat, Martinez, Antony. Fred was the one midfielder he had with the physical capacity to get about the pitch at the intensity required by this set up. None of it makes sense.
There is also this argument put forward that he had to move away from deep block, counter attacking football. Yes, but that and this aren't the only 2 modes of playing possible, it isn't expecting a lot to presume a top class manager can adapt his tactics to fit the players he has instead of persisting with lunacy despite it constantly failing.
Do what they did to Nagelsman and they'd have to pay anyway!
I came here just to support the manager! Bring pep to coach the team that lost to crystal palace yesterday and we will still lose. We lack quality players and players who have determination! How many manutd players last night will get into crystal palace squad???
It doesn't make him the best ever coach or anything close to it. In a serious conversation there is no point making silly hyperbole, McClaren is a decent coach and his career as a head coach show that he isn't anywhere near elite as a coach.
Also SAF rated and trusted him in a smaller role at a time where SAF was himself still very involved. The same applies to Kidd, Queiroz or Meulensteen.
Trying to win a trophy is counter productive according to Ineos.
You can say it all you want, but you're the only name I see making weird leaps of logic to justify giving him time past this season.
I'd also argue the "he would need to show immediate turnaround at the start of next season" line is in conflict with your arguments that Ten Hag needs a proper structure and a more capable squad, given the former is going to have had barely any chance to majorly influence things, and as a consequence, we're unlikely to see major changes in the playing staff.
I say this as someone that's spent much of the season arguing with the exact same people you have, and still disagrees with them about many things relating to the manager.
All of them.
Yes.
We also had them fit for the first Wolves game and looked awful. Could have easily lost 3-0 if they took their chances.
If he's still here next season, what is deemed as a success?
This is the main reason I see a need for change, the uncertainty over where we go next with him in charge.
Example 1 - We sign a younger profile of player, most of the older lads leave and we finish 5th, do we say we'll it's an improvement and we renew his contract to keep him building or do we look for a change?
Example 2 - We sign ready made players, finish 3rd again do we keep going down the road with him, or move elsewhere.
I've not included any other scenarios as they would all be obvious pass or fails for me personally.
This is the main reason I see a need for change, the uncertainty over where we go next with him in charge.
Example 1 - We sign a younger profile of player, most of the older lads leave and we finish 5th, do we say we'll it's an improvement and we renew his contract to keep him building or do we look for a change?
Example 2 - We sign ready made players, finish 3rd again do we keep going down the road with him, or move elsewhere.
I've not included any other scenarios as they would all be obvious pass or fails for me personally.
I was asked the question. As I said my stance has been that I'm indifferent about a sack. I said he's made his own grave. I can't spell it out more.
We will certainly see big changes in the playing staff. What I've said again is not remotely contradictory. He needs to show immediate improvement if he stays next season.
Scholes and Owen, two actual top class players who played under great managers = shit pundits.
Andy Mitten, who once sat down with ETH = Worth listening to as he probably has a better insight into his coaching.
The world as per VP89. Couldn't write this shit.
Don't agree with keeping him for the final but on the other hand it doesn't make much difference as long as they sack him end of the season latest
These ideas of giving him at least the start of next season are weird to me. If we have so little trust in him then what's the point? As if we're on the brink of something great and waiting for it to click any time. People who want him to be given the start of season will then not want to sack him if we're any better than 8th but stil trash. It will be seen as progress and how he just needs more time.
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Poor of late 
Thought Jim was a United fan, when did he start watching?
Thought Jim was a United fan, when did he start watching?
It was proved countless times that great footballers don't have to equal good pundits. I haven't listened to Owen much so I can't tell, but listened to Scholes a lot and yeah, he is a fecking shit pundit.
Pep with very limited input on transfers
That's what they're hoping. Get some class players that can paper over the cracks to an extent to buy him more time, and it will then just go on and on until we win the FA Cup in 10 years. Rhen they get to say "told you so".
He's not a shit pundit as he knows what he's talking about. He doesn't make much effort really and is quite blunt, but I'd trust his opinion over Andy Mitten.
Try "poor since February 2023"
Now I’m actually starting to again believe that we will be dumb enough to give him another season because he will talk his way out of trouble with ‘the plan’.
No real incentive in a Cup final? Surely winning the cup is the incentive.
Why would we be worried about anyone impressing a manager who's only been hired for 4 games?
New manager bounces happen all the time. Look at when Giggs, Ole, and Carrick took over as interim managers. We had an uptick in form.
I'm always surprised you think he's going to talk his way out of trouble, he's one of the worst speakers I've ever heard as a manager at a top club. 10 minutes of him incoherently rambling and saying "heh" a lot is hardly going to get anyone to buy in to his vision.
I think his one hope of staying, if he even wants to which I think is questionable (I imagine he'd be delighted to be paid off given how he's been talking lately), is the upheaval going on above him and them potentially not wanting to do anything else until more senior staff are in place.
I absolutely loathe these pieces which say a factor in deciding whether to sack him is cost
Why would a club claiming it wants to be the best in the world again decide to keep a manager who they don’t think is good enough purely because of cost?
Trophies are for the ego anyway or something.
It’s hardly early doom and gloom, we have 3 league games left
Damage control until they can sort out the house?
He’s horrible in short interviews, comes across as either the most boring person on Earth or very smug, recently the latter more frequently, but when he’s given a lot of time to blabber continuously he actually becomes far more appealing. That Neville interview, or the one he did for someone well back during Ajax times when he talked about tactics and nuances of football (it made rounds on here before we hired him) are the sort of thing I fear INEOS will buy into.
Exactly, sacking him now vs June will probably cost the same. There is no doubt still one or two loons who think we're sacking Fergie mk2 but they'll get over it.
Who to hire, Big Sam, Rooney, Ole, Jose, Conte, it's only for 4 games so we're not asking for much of a commitment which makes the pool of possible candidates much larger.
I'm specifically talking about people turning on INEOS there.
It's as damning and embarrassing a comment for him, as it is for our players when he continually claims he can't beat shit teams with the players he had that day. I hope it annoys him as much as his words probably annoy the players.
The main issue in bringing a manager for the next 4 matches, is that he might not be useless and in an off chance we beat City in the final, we might offer him a 4 year contract as manager.
Or at least that is what we would have done with the previous regime in charge.
Or at least that is what we would have done with the previous regime in charge.
And yet I'm the smartest one out of that bunch.
I have a lot of reservations about him, but I’m inclined to stick, personally. This season has been as negative as last season was positive, and it would be pessimistic to take the lowest and say that THAT is a person’s level going forward, and write off the better times as some sort of anomaly.
I don’t feel that we should just keep starting again, not without being absolutely sure, and on that basis I’d prefer he started next season. He’d have learned a lot of lessons from this season too. Another big factor is that the managerial market isn’t particularly inspiring. The only choice for me would be to take a chance on McKenna. Other than going that route, I don’t see many better options, and if Ten Hag left, he himself would be snapped up by a big club on the search too, as he’d be at the top of available candidates.
I don’t feel that we should just keep starting again, not without being absolutely sure, and on that basis I’d prefer he started next season. He’d have learned a lot of lessons from this season too. Another big factor is that the managerial market isn’t particularly inspiring. The only choice for me would be to take a chance on McKenna. Other than going that route, I don’t see many better options, and if Ten Hag left, he himself would be snapped up by a big club on the search too, as he’d be at the top of available candidates.
2014.Poor of late
Thought Jim was a United fan, when did he start watching?
I do not think the people are turning against Ineos, just that they think they have fecked up by not sacking him yet. We can be hopeful for next season under Ineos while saying that they were massively mistaken to not have fired EtH and try saving the season.