Hendersons played a lot more for Sunderland in the PL than Rodwell for Everton im sure, hes certainly started a lot more games and is central to Sunderland's form this season.But Rodwell has proven himself in the Premier League and showed us what he is capable of and hence he is definitely worthy of pulling on a United shirt. Rodwell is a year younger and has done more and Rodwell is more versatile.
They pretty close going off their Wiki stats. Rodwell has played more games going off what is there. Neither have 50 appearances for their club sides yet but Wiki tends to only include PL games. They have Rodwell at 47 and Henderson at 43.Hendersons played a lot more for Sunderland in the PL than Rodwell for Everton im sure, hes certainly started a lot more games and is central to Sunderland's form this season.
Rodwells hardly proven himself at any level in fairness, neither of them have really they're kids making their way in the sport.
He can't get into Everton's team FFS!They pretty close going off their Wiki stats. Rodwell has played more games going off what is there. Neither have 50 appearances for their club sides yet but Wiki tends to only include PL games. They have Rodwell at 47 and Henderson at 43.
Henderson's only in his second season as a regular for Sunderland and they have both been used in different positions. Henderson's now being played centrally after starting on the right which is where he appeared to play for England in the under 21 games I have watched. Sunderland fans have him down as a Gerrard type player.
Rodwell looks a better player IMO and much more the type of player we need at the moment than Henderson. I reckon Rodwell would start games for United now if we had him on the books and would develop pretty quickly. Henderson's better off having a couple of years with Sunderland to continue his development. He's also a bit of the flavour of the month because of his good recent form and being cited as a future England international by Capello. He may well be capped in the next international friendly.
The question is, if not Pastore then who? Pastore seems really talented, creative, great passing, hardworking... he can become great and develop into a top class midfielder, he has also been on fire this season, he has been really great in Italy.What is it with you and Javier Pastore? I know he is very talented and all but I think you kinda overrate him here. I mean a year ago, no one had any idea about this lad and as soon he gets selected to represent Argentina at the WC, everyone goes off.
They pretty close going off their Wiki stats. Rodwell has played more games going off what is there. Neither have 50 appearances for their club sides yet but Wiki tends to only include PL games. They have Rodwell at 47 and Henderson at 43.
Henderson's only in his second season as a regular for Sunderland and they have both been used in different positions. Henderson's now being played centrally after starting on the right which is where he appeared to play for England in the under 21 games I have watched. Sunderland fans have him down as a Gerrard type player.
Rodwell looks a better player IMO and much more the type of player we need at the moment than Henderson. I reckon Rodwell would start games for United now if we had him on the books and would develop pretty quickly. Henderson's better off having a couple of years with Sunderland to continue his development. He's also a bit of the flavour of the month because of his good recent form and being cited as a future England international by Capello. He may well be capped in the next international friendly.
Well Rodwell has been around for longer and plays off the bench often, Henderson is more recent and starts.Thanks for the stats, interesting reading, i must say im surprised by them but i suppose because Hendersons been playing week in week out for a while now whilst Rodwell hasn't it gives the illusion ones played more, i don't think Rodwells really ever been a regular at Everton so far though where as Henderson seems a key figure at Sunderland.
Not saying i rate Henderson the superior player, to me they are about equal, neither would walk into and drastically improve our current midfield in my view, in fact ids debatable if either would get in the first team as it is, great talents but thats about it at the moment.
Who would you prefer of the two? if given the choice?Well Rodwell has been around for longer and plays off the bench often, Henderson is more recent and starts.
Well he can't at the moment, no, as he's out injured for three months with ligament damage.He can't get into Everton's team FFS!
I haven't really paid much attention to either, from what I have seen I would say Henderson, he basically takes on the majority of the creativity for Sunderland and Bruce won't overcharge us.Who would you prefer of the two? if given the choice?
In front of Fellaini, Arteta, Neville, Pienaar and Cahill? I highly doubt it.Well he can't at the moment, no, as he's out injured for three months with ligament damage.
If he was fit, he would be getting plenty of games for them this year.
What makes you think a young player will definitely adapt to the English game? Kleberson and Djemba Djemba were pretty young when they came to United and they turned out to be the two worst signings in this decade. So its not a guarantee that a younger player will work better.The question is, if not Pastore then who? Pastore seems really talented, creative, great passing, hardworking... he can become great and develop into a top class midfielder, he has also been on fire this season, he has been really great in Italy.
Best options like Iniesta and Sneijder could be great, but neither of them will happen... And 27 years old, coming from Italy or Spain is hard, because England is faster, there are less room... Personally I would not want someone like that. I want players whom still are developing, because that is the best way to adapt is to evolve. Ferguson dont seem to like signing these players neither, he seems to look for players that can develop into top players, or the best players from smaller clubs. Preferably from the Premier League, but are there anyone talented enough right now?
He would not have needed to be in front of these players as some of them play different positions to him(such as Cahill and Arteta) and most of them have been injured for some period of this season. Cahill has been operating as a striker for Everton for alot of this season and normally plays as the attacking midfield support to the lone frontman. Piennar and Arteta can also play this role but are versatile enough to play in one of the wide positions. It's abit like comparing Rodwell getting games for United and citing the likes of Giggs, Anderson, and Park as getting in his way because they are versatile enough to play more than one position.I haven't really paid much attention to either, from what I have seen I would say Henderson, he basically takes on the majority of the creativity for Sunderland and Bruce won't overcharge us.
In front of Fellaini, Arteta, Neville, Pienaar and Cahill? I highly doubt it.
I saw him play for Huracan before he even signed for Palermo. He's an outstanding talent with a mercurial quality, but he'll never be a United player.What is it with you and Javier Pastore? I know he is very talented and all but I think you kinda overrate him here. I mean a year ago, no one had any idea about this lad and as soon he gets selected to represent Argentina at the WC, everyone goes off.
We don't even know if the Scouse cnut will stay here for next season... I understand the estimation but we know nothing about debt, about Rooney's wages so lets stick to the thread instead of assuming things that we don't know for real.Rooney's massive wage hike has damaged the very thing that he claimed to be complaining about in the first place - namely your club's seeming inability to compete financially for the best players to join.
Let’s say his wages have been increased by £100k per week (from, say, £90k per week to £190k per week) – some reports say even more than this, but we’ll stick with 100k for the sake of simple arithmetic. Over the 5 years of his new contract that makes an extra £26 million that the club will be shelling out to keep Rooney in the even more extravagant lifestyle that he’s not yet accustomed to.
But this 26m is just the tip of the iceberg, because we’ve yet to add in all the knock-on wage demands that will now be triggered right across United’s squad. Rooney doubles his wages – so is any player in that squad going to be happy with anything less than at least a 50% increase? I’ll leave you to do maths as to how much extra money, over 5 years, is now likely to drain out of the club on player wages.
100m to spend in net terms on new players this January and onwards? Not a chance in hell - Man. United is up to its eyeballs in debt and things just got a whole lot worse in terms of likely wage outgoings in the near future.
I don't know how much United intend to spend on whover they may or may not be interested in but you do ignore something fairly obvious.Rooney's massive wage hike has damaged the very thing that he claimed to be complaining about in the first place - namely your club's seeming inability to compete financially for the best players to join.
Let’s say his wages have been increased by £100k per week (from, say, £90k per week to £190k per week) – some reports say even more than this, but we’ll stick with 100k for the sake of simple arithmetic. Over the 5 years of his new contract that makes an extra £26 million that the club will be shelling out to keep Rooney in the even more extravagant lifestyle that he’s not yet accustomed to.
But this 26m is just the tip of the iceberg, because we’ve yet to add in all the knock-on wage demands that will now be triggered right across United’s squad. Rooney doubles his wages – so is any player in that squad going to be happy with anything less than at least a 50% increase? I’ll leave you to do maths as to how much extra money, over 5 years, is now likely to drain out of the club on player wages.
100m to spend in net terms on new players this January and onwards? Not a chance in hell - Man. United is up to its eyeballs in debt and things just got a whole lot worse in terms of likely wage outgoings in the near future.
We need a left winger. Giggs is getting older, Bebe and Obertan are light years away from first team and Nani is best utilized on the right flank. On the other hand I agree that we don't need to spend 100m. Defour/Rodwell, Bale/Sanchez/Afellay and a decent keeper would be enough.I refuse to believe that such a clause exists in his contract, the squad doesn't need 100mil of acquisitions to get us back to where we were in the 07/08 season for one thing. We just need a goalkeeper and a central midfielder, Lloris and De Rossi would be my preference and I think we could get them both for less than 50mil.
When Valencia returns Nani will go back to the left flank (where he has quite a decent understanding with Patrice). Those two will be our first choice wingers for a good few years yet and by the time they are in their late twenties we should have a few of our current prospects reaching maturity.We need a left winger. Giggs is getting older, Bebe and Obertan are light years away from first team and Nani is best utilized on the right flank. On the other hand I agree that we don't need to spend 100m. Defour/Rodwell, Bale/Sanchez/Afellay and a decent keeper would be enough.
Doubt their on too high wages anyway? Their replacements will probably earn more.In terms of wages when Neville, VDS, Giggs and Scholes retire that will free up a significant amount of our wage budget.
I was surprised at how sizeable their wages were (although the source I got them from could have been unreliable). I think Giggs was on something like 5mil a year which is all well and good but he'll probably only play 25 games for us this season.Doubt their on too high wages anyway? Their replacements will probably earn more.
Real Madrid usually do these kinds of signings. And despite spending tons of money, they are really not that successful. The likes of Zidane and Beckham only contributed to a league gold once each, despite spending five and four years in the Galacticos. Ferguson has not done this kind of signings - the reason for that is; it is not the way to go. Being a great playmaker in Spain and Italy is one thing, in the Premier League there are more tempo and less room, and the difference between 1st and 10th at the table are far bigger in Italy and Spain than in England.What makes you think a young player will definitely adapt to the English game? Kleberson and Djemba Djemba were pretty young when they came to United and they turned out to be the two worst signings in this decade. So its not a guarantee that a younger player will work better.
VDV seems to have adjusted fine. He along with Bale are Spurs' best players this season. So why do you think Sneijder is going to have a problem? Just because Veron did not work, does not mean everyone else who is 26-27 when they arrive will not be good for us.
Same.Rodwell
Sneijder
Bale
De Gea
Then I'll be pretty happy.
I'd be very surprised if that was the case. Senior members and all but hard to imagine them earning as much or than Rooney was earning because I remember reading many times Rooney was our 2nd highest earner at 90.Rather see Cleverley given a pop before we even think about bringing in other midfielders
Neville and VDS will be on or around 100k a week each I'd assume
Valencia will be out till February and while he is good, he isn't thaaat good not to have some decent competition to give him a run for his money. Nani is much more effective on the right then on the left.When Valencia returns Nani will go back to the left flank (where he has quite a decent understanding with Patrice). Those two will be our first choice wingers for a good few years yet and by the time they are in their late twenties we should have a few of our current prospects reaching maturity.
This. The only positive if you can call it so, has been that Nani's getting to play solely on the right where he's brilliant. He's not as useful on the left even though he does a good job there.Valencia will be out till February and while he is good, he isn't thaaat good not to have some decent competition to give him a run for his money. Nani is much more effective on the right then on the left.
Nani/Valencia on the right, A natural left winger/Cleverley on the left and our flanks will be sorted for the next decade. If Giggs remains for another year then Bebe and Obertan should be loaned. Some people tend to forget how important it is for United to have some sheer creativity on the flanks. We were never the sort of club who relied in central midfield for our main inspiration.This. The only positive if you can call it so, has been that Nani's getting to play solely on the right where he's brilliant. He's not as useful on the left even though he does a good job there.
