You are missing the point again and this is why I must repeat this again, the plan is rebuilding process. The reason why it's more ideal than short term plan is because our squad was and are miles behind City & Liverpool. We ain't catch City or Liverpool with Mourinho idea of going for short term, it will do nothing to catch them but damaging the club which clearly proven.
On the other hand under Sir Alex our aim was to win the league not rebuild the squad because we already had the squad that capable to win the league, that's why RVP was bought for the to improve the squad for winning the league back again from City! It's also hilarious to even use Chicharito & Welbeck to back your argument, they are nowhere near as talented as Rashford & Martial.
I'm not missing any point because there isn't any. There is no one strict way of doing things, there are many ways to rebuild a team. You dont have to completely ignore experienced players to rebuild a team, you can do both.
Anyway here's a list of players and ages we signed under Mourinho
Baily
22
Zlatan 34
Mkhi 27
Pogba
23
Lindelof
23
Lukaku
24
Matic 28
Sanchez 29
Dalot
20
Fred
24
Grant 35
Okay so this is where the 'agenda' I speak about comes into play. So I make that 7 players out of 10 signed under Mourinho who were 27 and under (I'm not counting Grant), 6 were 24 and under. So please elaborate how this is 'short term fixes' and how Mourinho was too focused on old players. What this actually is is a mix, the kind of mix of signings you're supposed to make as a club. If we are to progress we need some experience in there and not of the poor quality of the likes of Mata and Young. The best thing this club could go out and do right now is sign an experienced midfielder and experienced attacker.
You cant suggest its hilarious to mention Chicharito and Welbeck when you keep mentioning a player as rubbish as Andreas Perreira.
Me? It's you who can't see what happened? We tried the Mourinho way and it didn't work, and you expect us to keep doing the Mourinho way. Now both the club and Ole are trying something different which is rebuild the squad for long term project by improving & developing players into top class players. Will we win the league in 3 years or more with this plan? Who knows but the club & manager are trying something different and so far there are sign of progress & improvement in the squad.
Why are you ignoring what happened to those players that Jose signed?
Jose signed Bailly & Lindelof and yet he still not happy with them and still wanted more centre back. He had three summer transfer window and what he did is instead of trying to use the money to fix the defense, he was ignoring the talent that we got up front like Rashford & Martial and wasted the money on the likes Lukaku, Sanchez, Zlatan and etc. Do you see why I called it as waste of money?
Let's not ignore that Fred was considered flop under Jose's management, there is a possibility if Mourinho would have stayed this summer, he would want a new midfielder just like how he wanted a new centre back after signed two in previous windows.
You keep mentioning Zlatan but he was a massive success here, and Ill be the first to admit I thought at the time he wasnt a good signing. He was a free transfer, where's this transfer fee that was wasted? Are you actually suggesting we should have began the 2016/2017 season with 18 year old Marcus Rashford and 21 year old Anthony Martial as our only striking options? Are you actually suggesting this is what Mourinho should have done? Experienced players can also help younger players, its why Fergie kept Scholes, Giggs, Neville etc around for so long. Everyone knows how well respected Zlatan was when he was here, it's actually quite staggering that you're mentioning him in a negative light. The guy helped us win two trophies.
Again, this obsession with Martial and Rashford, are you aware a squad needs more than two forwards? Lukaku was 24 and one of the highest scoring players in the PL at the time of signing him, and as I said with Sanchez, he was a chance signing that was worth the gamble at the time. Stop acting as if these were clearly bad signings to make.
Also I wasn't aware there was a maximum number of players you could sign for two positions in your team..... Essentially you're criticising Mourinho for trying to sign a single centre back in each of his three seasons here. Again this is where the agenda is clear.
It doesn't really matter that these players were flops, I mean according to your principles. You keep slagging off Zlatan for the short sighted nature of his signing yet completely ignore the fact he was a huge success and then you're turning around criticising the young players Mourinho signed as flops even if it is proof that by at least signing these players there was a long term plan. Again, it's agenda driven.
Tell me what's my agenda? All I'm doing is that trying to tell you that there is sign of progress in the squad but your agenda blind your eyes that you can't see the progress that we have and ignoring them.
Let's not ignore that neither Jones & Mata are even starting XI players. I don't know how many times until this get through your head but I shall say it again, it'll take time. We can't fix everything in one summer transfer window and that's why those two are still in the club.
You have an agenda against Mourinho.....
When did I say everything needed to be fixed now? Not once, but I'm sorry there was absolutely no reason to give Jones and Mata new contracts. We're not short of centre backs and we should have brought in a midfielder instead of giving Mata a new deal.
Honestly, I don't even know what you are trying to argue here now. My point is that Ole has made progress in our squad, if you are in agreement with United under Ole is better than under Mourinho means sums up that he has made progress to our squad, I don't see what's your issue with me.
All I can see is that you are here just to argue for no reason. To even compare our squad when Mourinho was in charge with our squad under SAF when we signed RVP is such a delusional. Seriously, I don't see your point there? What about you answer yourself why SAF didn't sign players as caliber as RVP in 2004-2006 and instead he had faith in Rooney & Ronaldo, wanted to improve & develop them. You'll get it.
My issue is that you're re creating history and re creating the present to fit a narrative of Ole being so much better than Mourinho. Yes I agree with the crux, Ole is a better fit at the moment because the club needs calmness, it needs someone who wont lose his head or lose the players but all the other stuff is just nonsense to be honest. This idea that Mourinho was after old players, ignoring youngsters, destroying the club etc and that all of a sudden under Ole all the youngsters are blossoming, there's great leadership and there's no need to add any experience etc, it's all just nonsense. Why can't there be a middle ground, why does it always have to get so silly?
The comparisons between where you were with Mou and where you are now, could not be starker.
Under Mou, you're squad was looking tired and disheartened, players were bought for instant success and if that didn't materialise they were quickly discarded to the bench or worse.
Under Ole, players are bought for experience and the future, the squad looks united but is developing. Under Ole you have to put aside your hopes of instant success and start looking a season or two down the road. I've posted before that it feels to me that something good is emerging at OT and I haven't seen much to change my mind. You're in a much much better place than this time last year.
No disrespect but you dont really know what youre talking about.
