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Sideways than backwards. Ole only had 1 transfer window mind you.
Did I expect us to make real progress? Yes a big club should expect excellence form it's manager. Youth and fast football shouldn't be enough.Did you expect to at this point in time? Compare the squad age and look at premiership games those different squads had. If you dont understand this, i dont know what to say to you.
Yeah but going backwards doesn't necessarily mean you're headed in the right direction. It could just be a different wrong direction.Don’t get this obsession with us always having to move forwards in order to be doing the right thing.
If this was actually possible we’d be the greatest team the universe has ever seen, winning everything in our wake, even Fergie went backwards sometimes, his biggest ever achievement was keeping things the same. At some point you have to hit reset and start again if the project your working on is built on shitty foundations.
You don’t just keep driving the wrong way when you realise you’ve missed your turn off
Going backwards to go forwards again is healthy and necessary, especially when previously we’ve gone in the wrong direction.
Agree with this. We're pointessly meandering around the same place.We haven't gone backward but we haven't gone forward either. We are where we were previously, as shite as ever. The only different thing is we are better in big games than last season. That's about it. Anyone thinking we have moved forward is letting romanticism cloud his mind.
You need to have patience yer big babyDid I expect us to make real progress? Yes a big club should expect excellence form it's manager. Youth and fast football shouldn't be enough.
I'll have patience in quality. For exampleYou need to have patience yer big baby
Just as well we don't have Keiron Richardson in the squad.I'll have patience in quality. For example
In Greenwood not Keiron Richardson.
Why focus on a few results? Are a few wins supposed to make everything okay or a few losses the end of the world?Can someone answer honestly;
If someone told you after the Villa game we’d take 7 points from the next three games against Tottenham, City and Everton, would you take it?
Would it feel better if we have drawn against City and won against Everton?
Just as well we don't have Keiron Richardson in the squad.![]()
From a PR perspective, yes, from a results perspective, absolutely not. Its thin margins but we are worse off this season than last.We're definitely in a better place now than we were this time last year.
To be fair, we haven't lost in 6 games in the PL. Here's our unbeaten streaks since Sir Alex retired, oddly, we've never had a 5 game unbeaten run... anyway, only had a run of 10+ games three times since 13-14 season.Why focus on a few results? Are a few wins supposed to make everything okay or a few losses the end of the world?
I think results wise were thankfully in a decent place because Chelsea have turned to crap. So hopefully Ole has a strong season and we make top 4. But I can't help but feel that I'm simply not seeing a quality manager in him. One year and we're still generally gash in possession.
Manager | Games in a Row | From | To |
---|---|---|---|
Ole | 6 and counting | Nov 10, 2019 | Dec 15, 2019 |
Ole | 12 | Dec 22, 2018 | Mar 2, 2019 |
Jose | 6 | Feb 25, 2018 | Apr 7, 2018 |
Jose | 8 | Dec 13, 2017 | Jan 20, 2018 |
Jose | 8 | Aug 13, 2017 | Oct 14, 2017 |
Jose | 26 | Oct 29, 2016 | Apr 30, 2017 |
LVG | 7 | Oct 17, 2015 | Dec 5, 2015 |
LVG | 6 | Feb 28, 2015 | Apr 12, 2015 |
LVG | 10 | Nov 8, 2014 | Jan 1, 2015 |
Moyes | 7 | Oct 5, 2013 | Dec 1, 2013 |
This time last year how did imagine we would be in two or three years time and now how do you imagine we will be in two or three years time? That is the difference!From a PR perspective, yes, from a results perspective, absolutely not. Its thin margins but we are worse off this season than last.
I feel the same. We'll continue to bumble along talking about our history and how one day we'll return to the top doing it the United Way all while our rivals continue to improve and the gap increases.This time last year how did imagine we would be in two or three years time and now how do you imagine we will be in two or three years time? That is the difference!
Nowhere near the top in either cases, and Ole won't be here 2-3 years from now.This time last year how did imagine we would be in two or three years time and now how do you imagine we will be in two or three years time? That is the difference!
Exept we clearly havent.I don't think there's any argument (except from the deluded). definitely gone backwards
You're wasting your time mate, these people actually enjoy being pessimistic.Feck me... I swear the drama queens in here. It’s a feckin embarrassment.
We were a decent VAR decision away from a win today, we’ve been playing well and getting good results. A draw against a buoyed Everton side with a new manager bounce and the weak come crawling out from under their rocks in here.
We’ve gotten rid of a shed load of deadwood, have our best player out almost all season so far, playing kids - and we are still much better than when we were under Jose.
From a future perspective, we weren't going anywhere good. Change takes time to implement....I'm not convinced Ole is the best man for the job. But I've no doubt the direction we are travelling in now is better.From a PR perspective, yes, from a results perspective, absolutely not. Its thin margins but we are worse off this season than last.
I disagree in some respects. I think we have taken some important steps forward. Maybe not in terms of win % or league position but in terms of team functionality I think we've made some good strides forward. We now at least can go into each match knowing what our strongest team is and unlike when Jose was in charge, Ole seems to think the same as a lot of us. His best team looks very much like our best team.We haven't gone backward but we haven't gone forward either. We are where we were previously, as shite as ever. The only different thing is we are better in big games than last season. That's about it. Anyone thinking we have moved forward is letting romanticism cloud his mind.
Fair assessment and now a question of which way Ole takes us, it might get better it might not but it’s pretty much as we were with some different players which has been similar under every manager.We haven't gone backward but we haven't gone forward either. We are where we were previously, as shite as ever. The only different thing is we are better in big games than last season. That's about it. Anyone thinking we have moved forward is letting romanticism cloud his mind.
Lindelof needs to be upgraded on, Maguire has been decent but not exceptional by any means and there's no indication a new manager will like to have 2 fullbacks that barely do anything in the attack.I disagree in some respects. I think we have taken some important steps forward. Maybe not in terms of win % or league position but in terms of team functionality I think we've made some good strides forward. We now at least can go into each match knowing what our strongest team is and unlike when Jose was in charge, Ole seems to think the same as a lot of us. His best team looks very much like our best team.
First of all we have a nice, settled defence with 2 new players who have largely fit straight into the starting 11 with no bother, and certainly with AWB we have a massive upgrade on what we had before. I also like Maguire at CB and although he's not top, top level he is a very calming presence who has had a good impact and has already been wearing the captaincy. I think he'll grow into it more and more.
Secondly, McT and Fred are currently looking like our best MF pairing for a few seasons, look at Fred's improvement over the last season, and when Pogba returns I expect him to sit in in front of them two and make a better link between MF and attack. No reason why this shouldn't work.
Our attack is so much better now Rashford has moved over to the left and Dan James is being that RW we've all been screaming out for. The more thiis team plays together the better it will get. We're not far off top 4 now and it's all looking better than it was.
Coming 4th or 5th in the EPL as a pure counter-attacking team would be an achievement.Overall this team you're talking about will have 4th or 5th as a big achievement which isn't something we were hoping for. Is 4th the ultimate target for the upcoming years ?
Yes I agree.Lindelof needs to be upgraded on
I agree with your Maguire statement but I doubt there are many upgrades on AWB defensively and I really don't see his attacking capability as anywhere near the worst I've seen. Williams could be fantastic at LB and is already arguably prefereble to Shaw. I don't think our defence is in a terrible state.Maguire has been decent but not exceptional by any means and there's no indication a new manager will like to have 2 fullbacks that barely do anything in the attack.
Fred is not far off and is a hugely improved player over the poor fella who couldn't get a game last year. Some of his play is top drawer. Pogba may leave but until someone buys him (and there's no guarntee anyone will pay what we ask) he's ours and free'd of defensive duties and surrounded by DJ and Rashford and Martial I would expect his assist rate to go up in the new year. But ultimately, if he is sold, we will be able to buy whatever we need with the money we'd get.Fred isn't good enough for any top team and Pogba leaving is a matter of time.
Agree with your view on Martial, I'm not his biggest fan and I'd happily see us replace him and I don't think it would be hard to upgrade on him either. All the talent in the world doesn't make you a great player.As for the attack Martial will probably be benched once we sign a proper striker as Haaland and honestly not sure James will be a good enough permanent starter for a team challenging for the league. Decent player, but not someone I'll see him starting in a top 1 or 2 team.
No it isn't of course but I was just trying to make the point that improvement has been made in terms of the balance and effectiveness of the team. Ole has definitely improved the make up of our squad and given a much better platform for a better squad to be built. If we ended up getting 4th this year I would be pretty happy with that in the circumstances but that isn't enough going forward.Overall this team you're talking about will have 4th or 5th as a big achievement which isn't something we were hoping for. Is 4th the ultimate target for the upcoming years ?
Fred has improved but not the degree of being a player at a top club imo. He'll likely get upgraded in 1 or 2 years imo.Yes I agree.
I agree with your Maguire statement but I doubt there are many upgrades on AWB defensively and I really don't see his attacking capability as anywhere near the worst I've seen. Williams could be fantastic at LB and is already arguably prefereble to Shaw. I don't think our defence is in a terrible state.
Fred is not far off and is a hugely improved player over the poor fella who couldn't get a game last year. Some of his play is top drawer. Pogba may leave but until someone buys him (and there's no guarntee anyone will pay what we ask) he's ours and free'd of defensive duties and surrounded by DJ and Rashford and Martial I would expect his assist rate to go up in the new year. But ultimately, if he is sold, we will be able to buy whatever we need with the money we'd get.
Agree with your view on Martial, I'm not his biggest fan and I'd happily see us replace him and I don't think it would be hard to upgrade on him either. All the talent in the world doesn't make you a great player.
I do disagree with your view on DJ though. Yes he's a bit limited and it remains to be seen how much he can improve but he could be on our RW for years to come and I wouldn't moan.
No it isn't of course but I was just trying to make the point that improvement has been made in terms of the balance and effectiveness of the team. Ole has definitely improved the make up of our squad and given a much better platform for a better squad to be built. If we ended up getting 4th this year I would be pretty happy with that in the circumstances but that isn't enough going forward.
Yep, I’m with you on that. Thin as it is, I much prefer our squad to last year.We have gone backwards since 12 months ago. We are one point worse off and the squad is nowhere near as deep as it was then.
What else has changed? Lets have a think....
Things that we've lost:
What else:
- Players who weren't good enough
- Players who didn't want to be here
- Players on HUGE salaries that weren't contributing
What have we gained:
- A manager that didn't care about this club
- That thought nothing of belittling our history to explain away our losses
- That waged a very obvious and public demonstration against the board for not letting him buy another centre-back
- That was having a very public falling out with our best player and various others
- A manager without a hugely impressive CV that, yes, undoubtedly only got the interim role because of his affiliation with the club. One who then EARNED a permanent contract with his results at this club
- A completely different mood around the club. No more public fighting. No more disrespectful press conferences
- A management team that are clearly devoted to bringing back the attacking football that we all crave
- A squad that no longer has that bloated mercenary feel to it. Instead it feels like one that has an exciting future. Young and vibrant and willing to work hard to bring success back to this club
- A board committed to bringing in the right type of player. One who wants to play here, that has their best years in front of them. That represent the club how we want our players to
I can't speak for everyone, but I would trade all of the above to be one point worse off in the league without having to think too long about it.
Lindelof needs to be upgraded on, Maguire has been decent but not exceptional by any means and there's no indication a new manager will like to have 2 fullbacks that barely do anything in the attack.
Fred isn't good enough for any top team and Pogba leaving is a matter of time. As for the attack Martial will probably be benched once we sign a proper striker as Haaland and honestly not sure James will be a good enough permanent starter for a team challenging for the league. Decent player, but not someone I'll see him starting in a top 1 or 2 team.
Overall this team you're talking about will have 4th or 5th as a big achievement which isn't something we were hoping for. Is 4th the ultimate target for the upcoming years ?
Who said that ? Try to read before posting first. What I'm saying is the fact the squad is still where it was the previous year, just hoping to finish 4th after spending extra 150m in summer and still look miles away from finishing anywhere close to 2nd or 3rd makes the idea of us moving anywhere forward illogical and clouded by romanticism. Who was responsible for the squad to be in threadbare state ? Or were you expecting us to spend +250m in summer ?You wanted to win the league then with this squad?
Pointless trying to debate anything if people we’re so Delusional to begin with.
Fact is, Ole is getting the best out of this threadbare squad, it’s basically a youth squad with some average-to-above-average senior players.
I get that as United fans we should maintain a high level of expectancy from this Club, it’s one of the biggest in the world after all. BUT we are where we are now, and that is currently nowhere near the top of the tree.
Therefore continuous improvement is what is needed, most fans can see the positives Ole is implementing.
Sacking every manager who doesn’t win you the league every year is hugely counterproductive. That’s a fact.
How can you say that? Have you known Jose for who he is? The man did not just impose negative tactics, he killed the dressing room. It was all about himself and how he wants to play and not about the club or its ways. Ole has certainly brought a lot of changes in the club. He has managed to get most of the worthless players out and is giving youth a healthy chance to prove themselves. If Jose was given this squad, you think he would manage to be in the same place in the table and even if so, he'd beat Spurs and City in 4 days? I know the progress is slow and we're still not attacking attacking attacking but Ole is doing everything in his power to push this club and team back to the top with his calming smile and learning a great deal about his players. Ole is the best guy on the job for United now and i think he will choose the perfect players in the transfer windows as well. We need to back him and help him learn on the job as well.Almost exactly one year ago, Ole was appointed caretaker manager following the sacking of Jose Mourinho. The toxic one was relieved of his duties having led Manchester United to their 5th defeat of the Premier League season with a loss to Liverpool at Anfield. On December 18th 2018, United sat in 6th with 7 wins, 29 goals and 26 points; fast forward a year, two transfer windows, almost £150 million worth of player additions and an improved team culture - we've amassed 1 fewer point, 1 fewer win and 3 fewer goals. Most importantly, we look just as clueless as we did under Mourinho in his final season. Whether you want to blame Ole or not, it's inconceivable that 12 months since the sacking of our most despised manager, we've seen 0 progress or improvement in most of the aspects related to this behemoth of a football club. How does Manchester United, with all its apparent resources, find itself in this position?
Agreed, OP is a joke.Gone backwards
Typical goldfish memory from the average caf poster.
I was about to start typing a response to the OP, but then I saw this and it pretty much says everything I was going to say, so thanks, mate, for saving me a few minutes.I disagree in some respects. I think we have taken some important steps forward. Maybe not in terms of win % or league position but in terms of team functionality I think we've made some good strides forward. We now at least can go into each match knowing what our strongest team is and unlike when Jose was in charge, Ole seems to think the same as a lot of us. His best team looks very much like our best team.
First of all we have a nice, settled defence with 2 new players who have largely fit straight into the starting 11 with no bother, and certainly with AWB we have a massive upgrade on what we had before. I also like Maguire at CB and although he's not top, top level he is a very calming presence who has had a good impact and has already been wearing the captaincy. I think he'll grow into it more and more.
Secondly, McT and Fred are currently looking like our best MF pairing for a few seasons, look at Fred's improvement over the last season, and when Pogba returns I expect him to sit in in front of them two and make a better link between MF and attack. No reason why this shouldn't work.
Our attack is so much better now Rashford has moved over to the left and Dan James is being that RW we've all been screaming out for. The more thiis team plays together the better it will get. We're not far off top 4 now and it's all looking better than it was.
Sideways than backwards. Ole only had 1 transfer window mind you.