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the simultaneous praise of reagan and obama does make sense when you look at it through the scope of aesthetics, they were both kinda handsome and spoke in similar ways that seems to appeal to certain people, it's also blatant that a significant portion of the #resistance would vote for every single Trump policy if it was wrapped up in a media friendly package and the wall was presented as a progressive ideal to help legal migrants rather than to keep the browns out

they're also both conservatives which again, appeals to a lot people who want conservative policies but wrapped up in a nice friendly package
Obama is a pretty standard liberal, is he not? Comparing him to Reagan just seems silly.
 

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Obama is a pretty standard liberal, is he not? Comparing him to Reagan just seems silly.
Obama in 2008 cited Reagan as someone he looked up to for re-making politics away from the tired old liberalism (slight paraphrase, I don't have the exact quote), referring to tax-and-spend welfare and things like that.
 

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Reagan????. Arguably he is the very fecking obvious start to the shite we've found ourselves in.
I know that in hindsight he has become the villain to the left wing. However, he was an extremely popular president (easily winning solid blue states like California and New York against an incumbent Democrat, and holding them for the second election), the economy was in a very good shape, and to some degree played a role on the end of the Soviet Union.

The how bad Reagan was is a new thing. He was a popular president with a lot of bipartisan support.
 

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I know that in hindsight he has become the villain to the left wing. However, he was an extremely popular president (easily winning solid blue states like California and New York against an incumbent Democrat, and holding them for the second election), the economy was in a very good shape, and to some degree played a role on the end of the Soviet Union.

The how bad Reagan was is a new thing. He was a popular president with a lot of bipartisan support.
I know that in hindsight he has become the villain to the left wing. However, he was an extremely popular president (gaining the home state of an "incumbent" Democrat, and universal media acclaim for his brave stances), the economy was in a very good shape, and he formed a worldwide coalition of the willing.

The how bad Bush was is a new thing. He was a popular president with a lot of bipartisan support.
 

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I know that in hindsight he has become the villain to the left wing. However, he was an extremely popular president (gaining the home state of an "incumbent" Democrat, and universal media acclaim for his brave stances), the economy was in a very good shape, and he formed a worldwide coalition of the willing.

The how bad Bush was is a new thing. He was a popular president with a lot of bipartisan support.
He also lost the popular vote the first time (and barely won the electoral college) and then barely won the second time. And he was so unpopular, that Obama had such a comfortable victory against Bush’s successor, while after Reagan, Bush senior (who was his VP) quite comfortably won the elections.

It isn’t easy to find a more popular president than Reagan at his time.

Do better next time.
 

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I know that in hindsight he has become the villain to the left wing. However, he was an extremely popular president (easily winning solid blue states like California and New York against an incumbent Democrat, and holding them for the second election), the economy was in a very good shape, and to some degree played a role on the end of the Soviet Union.

The how bad Reagan was is a new thing. He was a popular president with a lot of bipartisan support.
Just a few things

Protest against US involvement in El Salvador - https://www.nytimes.com/1982/03/28/...arch-to-protest-us-policy-in-el-salvador.html

Aids protest in the 80's - https://www.npr.org/sections/health...ical-breakthrough-lessons-from-the-aids-fight


Something called the american punk scene - https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/...he-best-thing-that-ever-happened-to-punk-rock


It isn’t easy to find a more popular president than Reagan at his time.
Reagan polling numbers while in office - https://news.gallup.com/poll/11887/ronald-reagan-from-peoples-perspective-gallup-poll-review.aspx

Reagan was not an extraordinarily well-regarded president during his eight years in office. He averaged a 53% job approval rating during his presidency, slightly below average for all U.S. presidents for which Gallup has recorded job approval ratings.

Americans like Reagan personally but popularity for his administration was all over the place.
Americans' perceptions of Reagan's presidency have risen considerably in recent years. His average approval rating for 1988, his last full year as president, was 53% -- identical to the average for the entire eight years of his presidency. Yet, when Americans were asked in 2002 to state whether they approved or disapproved of the way Reagan handled his presidency, retrospectively, 73% approved.

This increase in retrospective approval didn't occur at once. Three Gallup ratings in 1990, 1992, and 1993 showed Reagan's job approval rating in the 50% to 54% range -- little different from the average while he was in office. Reagan publicly announced that he was suffering from Alzheimer's disease in 1994, and it's possible that the sympathy and concern his condition has elicited over the last decade are in part responsible for the elevated retrospective job approval ratings he has received since.
It turns out the how good Reagan was is a new thing!


Anyways you might want to improve you're music collection.
 
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I know that in hindsight he has become the villain to the left wing. However, he was an extremely popular president (gaining the home state of an "incumbent" Democrat, and universal media acclaim for his brave stances), the economy was in a very good shape, and he formed a worldwide coalition of the willing.

The how bad Bush was is a new thing. He was a popular president with a lot of bipartisan support.
Disingenuous comparison. Bush was hated with a lot of intensity by core Dem base in his second term. Reegan definitely enjoyed support among well off white liberals. Not arguing Reegan was not a bad president but Revan's point about perception of his presidency changing seems valid.
 

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it's pretty easy to see why there's so much confusion, american politicians have spent decades calling anyone to the left of mouslini the reincarnation of karl marx so there are a lot of people over there who think they're leftists because they like the blue team when they're more ideologically opposed to leftism than they are the red team
 

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Disingenuous comparison. Bush was hated with a lot of intensity by core Dem base in his second term. Reegan definitely enjoyed support among well off white liberals. Not arguing Reegan was not a bad president but Revan's point about perception of his presidency changing seems valid.
yes but his first term was one of the most popular ever. you can argue that that was 9/11, but the people loved *his* response to it. same way one can argue that his second term was also marred by external events like katrina and the crash.


Katrina is year ~4.5 (mid 2005, with 0 = Jan 2001) , which is the first time he goes under zero consistently.
 

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out of 10 how easy was it?
He won 48 out of 50 states against an incumbent, got re-elected while carrying 49 states, and his VP became president while carrying 40 states and 426 electoral votes (Reagan got elected with 489 votes and re-elected with 525 votes, winning the election with +10 points and reelection with +18 points). For comparison, neither Clinton nor Obama (two popular presidents) didn’t manage to win more than 32 states, or to win by 10 points or to win 400 electoral votes). Reagan’s victories (or Bush’s senior victory) makes Clinton/Obama’s comfortable victories look like struggle.

So yes, he was an extremely popular president. Easily the most popular since FDR.
 

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He won 48 out of 50 states against an incumbent, got re-elected while carrying 49 states, and his VP became president while carrying 40 states and 426 electoral votes (Reagan got elected with 489 votes and re-elected with 525 votes, winning the election with +10 points and reelection with +18 points). For comparison, neither Clinton nor Obama (two popular presidents) didn’t manage to win more than 32 states, or to win by 10 points or to win 400 electoral votes). Reagan’s victories (or Bush’s senior victory) makes Clinton/Obama’s comfortable victories look like struggle.

So yes, he was an extremely popular president. Easily the most popular since FDR.
a significant number of us general elections were won in landslides, daddy reagan wasn't the only psychopath who ran the gambit, your grasp of history is really as poor as it is confident, as ss's 5 seconds on google shows
 

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a significant number of us general elections were won in landslides, daddy reagan wasn't the only psychopath who ran the gambit, your grasp of history is really as poor as it is confident, as ss's 5 seconds on google shows
No one won as comfortably as him, while as importantly, managing to ensure as a comfortable victory to his VP as him.

Legacy wise, it can be argued that he made GOP strong (winning the senate after such a ridiculous long time) which had a net negative effect considering what GOP has become. However, judging purely based on his time (and perception back then) he was both a good and extremely popular president.

Finally, having a rating on mid fifties at the end of the second presidency is quite good.
 

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No one won as comfortably as him
he's fourth in electoral votes/1. it took a number of seconds to google this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...dential_elections_by_Electoral_College_margin

as ss has already demonstrated, he's not first in popularity either, he's not first anywhere other than your desperate attempt to justify liking conservative politicians and their policies

while as importantly, managing to ensure as a comfortable victory to his VP as him.
do goalposts make a sound when they move?

(this is also not true, LBJ had won more easily than snr.)

Legacy wise, it can be argued that he made GOP strong (winning the senate after such a ridiculous long time) which had a net negative effect considering what GOP has become. However, judging purely based on his time (and perception back then) he was both a good and extremely popular president.
another thing only conservatives will agree on

Finally, having a rating on mid fifties at the end of the second presidency is quite good.
:lol: just stop it dude, just admit you were chatting shit we all do it
 

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I can see the argument that Reagan was perceived as a good president. But in the context of humanity, he was a very bad president.

Similarly, the founding fathers are viewed favorably — religiously to some extent — by the majority, even though they owned slaves, thought black people were less than human, and their concept of all men being equal was confined to penis-carrying white men who owned property.

To be fair to Reagan, I did admire his ability to go to Berlin where he singlehandedly ended communism with a magic spell cast upon Gorbachev.
 

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Bill Clinton polling guru pinpoints surprising states Biden can lock down to derail Trump’s re-election bid



What to watch
Rust Belt's
traditional battlegrounds:

  • Trump’s chance of winning Michigan, which he carried by 11,000 votes in 2016, has been significantly reduced by the impact of COVID-19 in the state, which has suffered the fourth most deaths in the country.
  • Pennsylvania has almost been as hard hit as Michigan (fifth most deaths).
  • Of the three Rust Belt states, Trump is best positioned in Wisconsin, where his job approval has remained higher than the national average.
West and South emerge as new Democratic base:

  • Seven western states — California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, New Mexico, Oregon and Washington — are firmly in the Democratic column.
  • Six states in the South and Southwest — Arizona, Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, Texas and Virginia — are in various stages of becoming blue states.
  • Outside of Virginia, which has already become a blue state, Arizona is the state most likely to transition to a Democratic base state as early as November.
Biden’s most likely paths to 270 electoral college votes:

  1. Michigan, Pennsylvania and Arizona: Biden wins all three states — his best option, given the political environment. (Map)
  2. Michigan and Pennsylvania + two congressional districts — Nebraska-02 and Maine-02. (Map)
  3. The Rust Belt: Biden wins Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. (Map)
  4. Michigan and the Sunbelt: Biden carries Michigan, Arizona and North Carolina. (Map)
  5. Florida +1: Biden carries Florida, getting him to 261 electoral votes. A win in any of the other battleground states would put him well past 270. (Map)
The bottom line: Biden's best strategy:

  1. Make putting Michigan out of reach for Trump the top priority.
  2. Lock up Pennsylvania.
  3. Prioritize winning Arizona, Maine-02 and Nebraska-02.
  4. Focus remaining resources on Wisconsin, North Carolina and Florida.
 

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Warning signs are there for Biden. If they dont start paying attention to these issues now then they can kiss goodbye to winning states like Florida and Arizona.


Dems not taking the Latino vote seriously is what cost them big time in the Florida statewide races in 2018.

Below is an article by Politico a few months before the 2018 midterms and the Dems ignored the warning signs back then, which contributed to them losing the senate & governor races.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/14/nelson-florida-senate-latinos-rick-scott-645594
 
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Warning signs are there for Biden. If they dont start paying attention to these issues now then they can kiss goodbye to winning states like Florida and Arizona.


Dems not taking the Latino vote seriously is what cost them big time in the Florida statewide races in 2018.

Below is an article by Politico a few months before the 2018 midterms and the Dems ignored the warning signs back then which meant they ended up losing the senate & governor races.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/14/nelson-florida-senate-latinos-rick-scott-645594
The notion that Biden should reach out to Castro is laughable. He's irrelevant in American politics, even among hispanics.
 

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Swing state Republicans sound alarm about Trump’s campaign strategy — and warn he must get pandemic right

Swing state Republicans are raising real concerns about President Donald Trump’s reelection strategy if it revolves solely around attacking former Vice President Joe Biden.

In interviews with Politico, these Republicans said that the campaign was going to be a referendum on Trump’s handling of the COVID-19 pandemic, and that no amount of attacks on Biden would change that.

“I think it still boils down to a referendum on the president,” said former Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, who went on to say that the election will be “more difficult” for Trump if people aren’t giving him high marks for beating the disease.
Georgia Republican State Leadership Committee President Austin Chambers, has released a memo warning Republicans that they can no longer take the Peach State for granted.

“Georgia is absolutely at risk for Republicans in 2020 — up and down the ballot, everything is in play,” he explained.

Former Pennsylvania Rep. Phil English, meanwhile, tells Politico that the botched pandemic response will ultimately hurt Republicans because their party controls the White House.

“I think there is too much blame-mongering going on, but that is predictable and I think that is going to complicate the political landscape for Republicans in Pennsylvania because they’re the party with the White House, so all negatives are going to first be set at their direction,” he said.
 

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Swing state Republicans sound alarm about Trump’s campaign strategy — and warn he must get pandemic right
I don't think the sentiment is wrong, but who in God's name needed a source and thought of f*cking Scott f*cking Walker?
 

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AZ seems like its going to flip. Both Senators will be Dems in a formerly very Republican state.

 
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