NYT says there is 8% outstanding in Georgia.
2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress
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This is it.
Yeah, I mean, technically you could say the same thing about a certain UK votership
Just catching up, can't believe Trump has actually declared victory and said votes shouldn't be counted 
He always manages to turn the worse expectations into reality.
He always manages to turn the worse expectations into reality.
Yes. The economy has always been a top reason why people vote, and in this case voters seem to have bought into Trump’s line that the pre-Covid economy was in great shape.
What a world and time to live in. I lose hope for this world every day. Human beings are stupid.
Yup.Yeah, I mean, technically you could say the same thing about a certain UK votership
No, Olly, there is a third option. The third option is that they are stupid/misinformed. And it is those individuals to whom my initial reply relates.
Dem needs to own up they fecked up royally. Those trumps voters arent gonna go away anytime soon. Trumpist is a formidable opponent
They'd other have to whore themselves harder, play dirty, scracth and claw and basically fightback.
The they go low we go high hollier than thou attitude isnt gonna win them nothing
Why would they change?
They'd other have to whore themselves harder, play dirty, scracth and claw and basically fightback.
The they go low we go high hollier than thou attitude isnt gonna win them nothing
Why would they? Mitch still win. Trump still win. The crowd are loving it.
Why would they change?
Thanks. Was kind of expecting it given Biden’s age.
"Get Brexit Done!" won over a population that was offered free broadband, a better funded NHS, a green new deal, etc.
Can't underestimate empty slogans. Biden could have slung mud at Trump and made a huge deal of the Epstein/Maxwell links.
Totally agree.
Again, though, whilst I agree he had to have a manifesto, the talking points were always Trump. The average voter will not read/watch all that. They will watch the big debates etc.
Trump didn't need a platform again because everyone knows what he is. His whole political game is to create a us vs them situation. Biden by, for the most part, focusing on Trump helped that narrative. The last thing Trump wants is a policy based election, he wanted a dog fight.
I feel the Dems let themselves openly get pulled into the wrong type of election. You can't bring in Trump voters/fence sitters if you don't clearly tell them what they would get with you.
They kept saying Trump divided the country which he did. Then their platform should have shown more clearly how they plan to bring it back together
Equally, if they were going to get down and dirty the Trump way then go fecking hard. Throw in all his sexual assult charges, bankruptcy, Epstein etc. Don't half arse it
he will win one way or the other
I think the DNC shoot themselves in the foot by smearing Tulsi Gabbard as a Russian asset. She has great centrist appeal, earned her stripes as a multi tour veteran, would have out-debated Trump with ease and put on a more energizing performance on the road.
NYT needle indicating that Biden wins GA?
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/forecast-president.html
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/forecast-president.html
well it was though.
lowest unemployment numbers and people’s 401ks were at all time highs.
Obviously, Obama should get a lot of credit for that.
Hitler was a pretty popular dude tbf. The fact that Covid, debt and poor tax and spending policy will continue to tank the American economy for the next 4 years if Trump gets in will be what does for him, not being a fat, horrible, evil piss-eyed Tango monster.
Not happening, especially the UK. Trade deal is going to be even worse than we could have envisaged.
I don't believe that anyone who is a Trump supporter after the last four years can be convinced by policy talk. That's just not what they're about.
I don't know how well the Biden campaign did in reaching out to independents. I'm very much looking forward to the data about that. But my opinion is that we're in a culture war. It's all over the planet: it's about "owning the libs", it's about "stopping political correctness", it's about "the gay agenda", whatever the feck that is. Policy is now very much secondary to this - people align their policy positions to the candidates who represent them best in this culture struggle and not the other way around.
Many here think the Senate acquittal removed the impeachment verdict.I can’t believe Trump was impeached after soliciting foreign interference and people STILL voted for him, Christ.
So what's your approach, then? Manipulate them? Because I think this is what needs to be done if you want them to vote for you. There's no nice way of convincing those people. Trump has shown how to do it.
This situation is looking so ugly. Trump knows full well the damage that could happen as a result of that terribly irresponsible speech. Horrible man.
Has been that way for hours. It is, by all accounts, going to be extremely close either way.
Is usually a waste of time if you don't read well what I am saying. read again: "they were mostly wrong"
Agreed; and in fact I would go so far as to say most voters fall into this category. It’s just a very difficult thing for people to admit.
Say hello to chlorinated chicken and expensively shit healthcare?
Good morning. Well I feel like hot death.
One of the biggest things I think we have to face upto is the bubble the caf is in.
True, people have strong opinions about things they have no idea about.
So far the map for called states looks exactly the same as 2016.
Future advice for Americans who happen to work with political polls:
"I ain't telling you shit! This is 'Murica! Yeeeeee-haaaaaw! *pistol shots*"
The sentence above is a good example of a Trump vote. Don't discount it, even if he/she didn't specifically say Trump.
"I ain't telling you shit! This is 'Murica! Yeeeeee-haaaaaw! *pistol shots*"
The sentence above is a good example of a Trump vote. Don't discount it, even if he/she didn't specifically say Trump.
It really looks increasingly likely the black lives matter riots have flipped the script and turned white america against liberals. Whoever in the GOP who created those riots, he is a genius and probably deserves a pay raise.
Uhm, for those of us living in the US that is NOT one of the biggest things we are going to have to deal with.
That shouldn't be news to anyone. We're heavily skewing younger, more educated, more urban.
My opinion is that you're 100% correct. I see this in Norway as well - there is a worryingly large number of uneducated Norwegians who are supporting the likes of Trump for those exact reasons you are listing. They do not care and/or have any knowledge about the actual political issues - it's about "owning" the other side.
I know it's not the key point here - but what does that mean in practice? Could tourist go from NYC to NJ and buy a joint? Or is this for medicinal purposes only?
Come on, those people voted for Trump. They were not convinced by logical arguments, they were convinced by emotional ones. It's been tried to talk sense into them. They don't care about facts or well reasoned arguments, that's what needs to be understood.
WI and GA will be done today.. WI soon... GA a little later today.
It could be all over if things go well.
If not. could drag on till Friday
It could be all over if things go well.
If not. could drag on till Friday
Nah just the facts. Probably should have said leads them to their deaths.
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