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He will have his uses over the season, but will continue to be a problem for the team. Can only think the manager didn't have the budget available to upgrade in this position as a priority.
He’s had his 1st bad game in a very long and now all the AWB haters are out in full force
Give the Lad a break, everyone is going to have a bad game once in a while.
I don’t deny that there are certain skillset that come easier with certain type of physiques, but in AWB case that doesn’t apply. Having a pair of long leg isn’t the reason that makes him over hit or underhit a cross, or failed to pick out anybody in particular. It’s about his speed of thought, visual recognition and practice at crossing. He’s simply awful at them which makes him fail at delivery even with minimal pressure from his marker.Your physique definitely can affect certain abilities. There are always exceptions but you can see they way he passes the ball, those long loopy limbs with a high centre don't help him.
If you look at most top ball players they're not big guys.
Both these things bother me so much, especially the passing into teammates that are tightly marked and in unfavorable situations.AWB put his RW or whoever plays close to him needlessly under pressure because he's so poor on the ball. He dumps the ball to teammates who are covered because he can't pass his way out of slightly harder angles. Put the heat on him and he'll dump the ball to the closest teammate he sees despite the latter being heavily marked. The man can't even run with the ball properly, when he tries to accelerate the ball sometimes stays behind him and he has to stop himself to regather the ball. He's awfully uncomfortable with the ball.
He's not a suitable traditional fullback for a top club either. Agreed with his inability to invert.Can we agree, based pre-season, that tactically EtH is looking for his RB to invert into DM alongside Casemiro (or whomever is playing there)?
EtH started doing it last season and in every game this pre-season, so, we should expect this to continue.
With that in mind, is AWB suitable as a traditional fullback? Yes. But we've already established that EtH is demanding his RB to invert to DM, so, the question becomes 'is AWB suitable as an inverted fullback?' No.
This will be a problem until EtH is able to recruit in this position because AWB does not have the game intelligence or technical ability to do for us what Stones does for City.
He's a great traditional right-back but it's clear that Ten Hag is looking for more than that. The only reason we haven't bought a new RB this summer is because we had other areas to address.
I disagree on bolded. Dalot does this very effectively. There was many times in the first half yesterday where our midfield went awol and Dalot had to come into the midfield to receive the ball in order to play it forward. I would say it's his best attribute actually.He's not a suitable traditional fullback for a top club either. Agreed with his inability to invert.
It's another makeshift season at RB for us.
What makes him a great traditional right-back he isn't particularly great in defensive aspects either he has flaws there as well . He is a decent player nothing more .He's a great traditional right-back but it's clear that Ten Hag is looking for more than that. The only reason we haven't bought a new RB this summer is because we had other areas to address.
In a pre season game too no less, quick sign.......... Someone!Gave the ball away once. Burn him! Burn him! Burn him! Useless. Worst RB ever. I blame the Glaziers. Burn him!
I like the profile of Dalot and if he brings the form he did pre world cup last season then I agreeI disagree on bolded. Dalot does this very effectively. There was many times in the first half yesterday where our midfield went awol and Dalot had to come into the midfield to receive the ball in order to play it forward. I would say it's his best attribute actually.
Can we agree, based pre-season, that tactically EtH is looking for his RB to invert into DM alongside Casemiro (or whomever is playing there)?
EtH started doing it last season and in every game this pre-season, so, we should expect this to continue.
With that in mind, is AWB suitable as a traditional fullback? Yes. But we've already established that EtH is demanding his RB to invert to DM, so, the question becomes 'is AWB suitable as an inverted fullback?' No.
This will be a problem until EtH is able to recruit in this position because AWB does not have the game intelligence or technical ability to do for us what Stones does for City.
That’s an incorrect notion. He’s very comfortable in possessionResorting to strawman I see. AWB being awful on the ball and poor in build up plays isn't something we've just found out yesterday. It's a well know notion about him.
So stop with these type of posts, they are ridiculous.
That’s an incorrect notion. He’s very comfortable in possession
We're a team that want to play out from the back and have the fullback invert into midfield during the build up, you need playmaking qualities as a fullback in such set up. It is simply not Awb forth.We are a counter attacking team that retains possesion - a transitional side.
If people cant see how AWBs tackles can benefit that then kudos.
It's pretty clear Ten Haag is making the most of what he has got at his disposal, thus created a new role specifically for his best right back. I think we'll see a lot more assists and contribution now that AWB is making runs closer to the center.We are a counter attacking team that retains possesion - a transitional side.
If people cant see how AWBs tackles can benefit that then kudos.
AWB had a good second half to the season and that's why he's still here, kudos to him. My issue with him is similar to De gea, he is just not a natural for the demands of the kind of football we are trying to implement.
Dalot is more suitable stylistically even though I wouldn't say he's top drawer in terms of quality, we most likely aren't going to sign a right back this summer but it will be an area to upgrade in the near future.
Is it hate to point out he's not a suitable profile for our set up. I like the fight he showed to win his spot back but at a club like united that can afford the very best I think long term ETH would still replace him just like he did De Gea.All it took was one pre season game and his haters come back in force. Jesus.
Its not a Dalot vs awb debate, its a awb vs the best at playing the inverted rb role debate.AWB has always been the better defensive RB. He’s also improve his attacking play last season and his dribbling has been immense. He’s shown that he can improve his game under a top coach. What’s Dalots best attribute? Crossing? Passing maybe? Not sure.
Is it hate to point out he's not a suitable profile for our set up. I like the fight he showed to win his spot back but at a club like united that can afford the very best I think long term ETH would still replace him just like he did De Gea.
If posters could make the case that Dalot was that much better that we don't need a AWB type defender then fair enough.... But anyone still thinking that after the last 12 months can't really be taken seriouslyThis thread was positive for the first few pages and then as soon as he made an error, out comes the knives and people start to shit on him.
The player who should be replaced is clearly Dalot. For an attacking fullback he simply doesn't do enough, you can criticise AWB but it's a squad game. There will be moments during the season when a player like AWB is extremely useful. We need the tactical fluidity to be able to react to games and change tactics. It's shocking how people seem to not understand this basic concept. For an attacking fullback Dalot simply doesn't do enough going forward and he's an average defender. It's bizarre people have this notion that both our rightbacks have to be the exact same player. Variety is good, it's better for the squad.
I don't think that's clear at all. Dalot is very good at what Ten Hag wants from his fullback. Come inside to the midfield and progress play. Wan Bissaka plays more like a traditional fullback where he's up and down the wing, which I agree is good variety. The stats show reflect this as well, Dalot makes far more passes whilst Wan Bissaka dribbles more. You seem to misunderstand Ten Hags tactics when you say Dalot is a poor "attacking fullback" because that's not really the way we set up when Dalot plays. He's clearly not instructed to go up and down the wing but instead to come into the midfield and be an extra man. This tactically makes sense because we have two attacking midfielders who will drift into the channels, specifically Bruno on the right hand side, which alleviates the need for a traditional style fullback.This thread was positive for the first few pages and then as soon as he made an error, out comes the knives and people start to shit on him.
The player who should be replaced is clearly Dalot. For an attacking fullback he simply doesn't do enough, you can criticise AWB but it's a squad game. There will be moments during the season when a player like AWB is extremely useful. We need the tactical fluidity to be able to react to games and change tactics. It's shocking how people seem to not understand this basic concept. For an attacking fullback Dalot simply doesn't do enough going forward and he's an average defender. It's bizarre people have this notion that both our rightbacks have to be the exact same player. Variety is good, it's better for the squad.
If you read my earlier post you will know I don't think Dalot is doing it to the required standard either. In terms of variety it depends, having variety can come in handy but it can also be disruptive. You don't want to adjust your entire gameplay simply because your right back is injured. It depends on the manager and what he fancies, plus understand Dalot was a punt while awb is one of the most expensive rb. He's the one expected to make the role his own.This thread was positive for the first few pages and then as soon as he made an error, out comes the knives and people start to shit on him.
The player who should be replaced is clearly Dalot. For an attacking fullback he simply doesn't do enough, you can criticise AWB but it's a squad game. There will be moments during the season when a player like AWB is extremely useful. We need the tactical fluidity to be able to react to games and change tactics. It's shocking how people seem to not understand this basic concept. For an attacking fullback Dalot simply doesn't do enough going forward and he's an average defender. It's bizarre people have this notion that both our rightbacks have to be the exact same player. Variety is good, it's better for the squad.
AWB has been getting to play with the first 11 players in pre-season so we have to expect he starts the season as first choice.Do we think he starts the season, or dalot?
We're a team that want to play out from the back and have the fullback invert into midfield during the build up, you need playmaking qualities as a fullback in such set up. It is simply not Awb forth.
I don’t think anyone is saying AWB is our future RB for the next decade -
but at the same time I think it’s mind boggling that people talk about him like he is completely useless either.
He has been a good, regular 7.5/10 player in nearly every game with the occasional better and the occasional worse over 4 seasons now.
He is the worlds best 1v1 defender and having that on the bench is bloody useful IMO - why not bring him on when Mbappe is absolutely destroying the LW?
AWB has had many wingers in his pocket to make the opposition have to change their tactics and usually fail to overcome it.
He's not completely useless, but he isn't good enough to be a starter here. No, he hasn't been a 7.5/10 player in every game for us. In fact, he's been damn right poor at times. He was pretty good as a limited full back during his first year or two under Ole and had a decent showing during the second half of last season. However, even during his bright spells, he still isn't good enough or consistent enough in terms of his passing, technique, creativity and attacking threat. He is useful for locking down a top class winger, but what about the other 75-90% of games? We must aspire for better and unfortunately it isn't something that is going to be addressed this window, but it must happen next summer.I don’t think anyone is saying AWB is our future RB for the next decade -
but at the same time I think it’s mind boggling that people talk about him like he is completely useless either.
He has been a good, regular 7.5/10 player in nearly every game with the occasional better and the occasional worse over 4 seasons now.
He is the worlds best 1v1 defender and having that on the bench is bloody useful IMO - why not bring him on when Mbappe is absolutely destroying the LW?
AWB has had many wingers in his pocket to make the opposition have to change their tactics and usually fail to overcome it.