He has to teach AWB how to cross a ball. It takes a certain level of skill to hit the first defender with every single ball.
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You've gone from having a pop at Ole to now AWB. Fair enough if your unhappy then voice it, but it seems your not even sure what you are annoyed at.
Hitting the first defender is the least of our problem. At least when he does that we might get a corner, throw on or deflection for a chance. When it doesn't hit the defender its often in row Z!
This season was truly embarrassing. Ashley Young had multiple games with some of the worst crossing stats seen in any competition.
AWB is a good player from what I've seen. Would add much needed defensive solidity.
Varela?
Bissaka needs a genuine partner on the right to get the best out of his qualities.
Genuine question, who do you think we could get who is relatively attainable there ?
I agree with you about a partner but I can never think of anyone we could go for that would be realistic
Young, and hungry. Type of player we need right now. No more showmen.
Wouldn’t Shaw and AWB as full backs be problematic offensively?
I can’t say I’ve seen enough of AWB, but the defensive side of his game definitely seemed like his strongest asset, just like Shaw’s.
We should be quite solid defensively, but is it enough in the modern game?
I can’t say I’ve seen enough of AWB, but the defensive side of his game definitely seemed like his strongest asset, just like Shaw’s.
We should be quite solid defensively, but is it enough in the modern game?
After the last 7 years I'll rip your hands off to be solid defensively.
Darmian?
Although Shaw and Martial were the only attacking source of the team for way too long. With more balance in the squad from an attacking perspective, we may see their performance improve as well.
Should be a good signing, and hopefully a starter for the NT for many years to come. Not too bothered about his supposed lack of attacking game; keep in mind that Palace were constantly on the backfoot and he had to defend. He will have more opportunities to show and develop his offensive game for those matches where we dominate possession.
Someone give me like two sentences to describe who he is please
He forgot how to play after 4 games. Doesn't count.
Just read a comment above he's a converted winger. If correct, surely he should be good going forward?
A) TBH don't care about the stats AWB has (don't think it's a talking point in negotiations either) and the conditions Palace are in. You don't have to sign a player from the PL clubs who are all in financial comfort. A transfer like Azpilicueta or Kimmich (both were signed for £6-7m) makes much more sense to me than Wan-Bissaka deal. For me, If you are paying £50m for a full-back, then it should be spent on either an absolute world class level player or a young one with that potential.
B) I did. He's sound defensively but doesn't do much in attack. Not in a United shirt anyway. It's interesting because he was playing as a wing back for Torino and Italy in a 3-5-2/3-4-3. And he was probably the best defender on the pitch in Europa League final against Ajax two years ago. Maybe you are the one who didn't see any of Darmian?
C) The 'non-existant in attack' was to describe Darmian not AWB. I don't need youtube highlights of AWB to see him "dribbling past multiple players and driving into the opposition half" and to know him that he's a defensive minded RB. He doesn't compare with the likes of TAA, Robertson, Alonso, Kimmich, Alba in the number of assists + goals stat but that's also down to the team he's playing in.
That's fair enough. That's why I said Darmian is non-existant in attack. Hopefully AWB improves in that aspect and gives much more than the likes of Darmian in attack because it's not enough.
Holy shit we’ve actually bought a right back... arguably the first bona fide right back since... Rafael Da Silva when we bought the twins 12 years ago? And god knows even before that because it was either Neville brother for the most part, with a smattering of Wes Brown and John O’Shea if we were really fecked.
And before anyone jumps in and says it, I refuse to believe Darmian is a traditional right back in the way most people view what a right back is. From his performances with us, I think he can be classed as much as a traditional right back as much as Wes Brown was, in that they’re just centre backs who get shoved in there or in the case of Serie A football, just an additional centre back in a defensive-focused league.
And before anyone jumps in and says it, I refuse to believe Darmian is a traditional right back in the way most people view what a right back is. From his performances with us, I think he can be classed as much as a traditional right back as much as Wes Brown was, in that they’re just centre backs who get shoved in there or in the case of Serie A football, just an additional centre back in a defensive-focused league.
Typical forgiving UTD fans ha. I like it to be honest. For the way you put up lines after going through so much in last few years I still think ED can achieve GOD like status with UTD fans if he can pull 3/4 great signings in this window. We are that kind.Very easy
Yep, he grew up as a forward until one time got called up to train with the first team and wow'd the coaches as a defender. I think we are underestimating his attacking game tbh.
Erm, sack Fergie sell Giggs now?
Yes, neither are good crossers so we probably won't see a great contribution going forward. I'm not sure about how much AWB will contribute in terms of possession either but defensively, as you say, he's top notch.
He is decent at going forward but seems to play balls along the ground into the box instead of crossing them, he’s also good at overlapping runs from what I’ve watched of him.
A young, athletic, defensively impressive English right-back who is supposedly a quiet, modest personality off the field. In terms of potential weaknesses the thing to watch out for is how good he is in attack.
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On paper, a very good signing. He’s got work to do going forward but he’s certainly good at defending.
He also isn’t Young or Valencia. Picking between him and Dalot (who has lots of good qualities to improve on himself) puts us in a much better position for next season.
Now for a left back to banish Young once and for all...
He also isn’t Young or Valencia. Picking between him and Dalot (who has lots of good qualities to improve on himself) puts us in a much better position for next season.
Now for a left back to banish Young once and for all...
Can't wait for Lingard to corrupt him
Shaw?
And if he gets a six month injury we’re back where we started. He also needs some genuine competition (especially in an attacking sense) to kick him up the arse.
I get where you're coming from, and its a concern. Unfortunately, the needs of strengthening in other areas trump bringing in a new left-back.
Exactly. A Club like United should have 4 specialist FBs.
I don't know how long they are but I agree.
Obi Wan used to be a winger and a striker so surely he has some appetite and ability for attacking play. I've got a feeling with have an absolute steal on our hands and i'm not the most optimistic person about United at the moment.
Perhaps. In an ideal world we would be finding funds for it, though. It reflects poorly on Mourinho and the board that our full backs have been neglected to this point.
Tierney for 25m or similar with a player perhaps loaned the other way who we can't shift (names are endless here)......shouldn't be beyond our abilities if we want to break back into top 4. I think he'd bench Shaw within the season.
A) TBH don't care about the stats AWB has (don't think it's a talking point in negotiations either) and the conditions Palace are in. You don't have to sign a player from the PL clubs who are all in financial comfort. A transfer like Azpilicueta or Kimmich (both were signed for £6-7m) makes much more sense to me than Wan-Bissaka deal. For me, If you are paying £50m for a full-back, then it should be spent on either an absolute world class level player or a young one with that potential.
B) I did. He's sound defensively but doesn't do much in attack. Not in a United shirt anyway. It's interesting because he was playing as a wing back for Torino and Italy in a 3-5-2/3-4-3. And he was probably the best defender on the pitch in Europa League final against Ajax two years ago. Maybe you are the one who didn't see any of Darmian?
C) The 'non-existant in attack' was to describe Darmian not AWB. I don't need youtube highlights of AWB to see him "dribbling past multiple players and driving into the opposition half" and to know him that he's a defensive minded RB. He doesn't compare with the likes of TAA, Robertson, Alonso, Kimmich, Alba in the number of assists + goals stat but that's also down to the team he's playing in.
I wonder if Ole wants to play a slightly different style. I think he quite likes the idea of leaving the wide forwards high up the pitch to break quickly on teams as opposed to having them track all the way back. Defensively solid fullbacks and a back 4 that generally stay in place would allow this.
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