[manutddjw]

I strongly believe we should loan him out this season, preferably to a Premier League side.

He needs to be playing regular football and I don't think we can offer him that. We'll have extra games, but there's no guarantee LvG totally changes his side in these cup games. He put out some ridiculously strong sides against the likes of Preston and Cambridge and it is possible that's how he operates, unlike how Fergie did in games like that.

Also, for him to be a fit in the current system we use he can either play on the left or right. We have Depay, Mata, Young and Di Maria currently vying for 2 spots already, it's going to be hard for him to get into the team as a sub, let alone a starter.

 

[NinjaZombie]

He did what?!!?!!

http://thepeoplesperson.com/2013/10...-hailed-biggest-talent-by-ex-team-mate-29552/

I don't know about playing style, but I see some physical resemblance myself, actually.

 

[Bape]

Sometimes I forget what a talent we have on our hands. Just looking at the Sterling thread, we easily overlook the fact we also have someone with similar potential on our hands. (Obviously Sterling is much more advance in his development right now) Seriously hope we don't mess this one up because this kid has real talent.

 

[Raoul]

I strongly believe we should loan him out this season, preferably to a Premier League side.

He needs to be playing regular football and I don't think we can offer him that. We'll have extra games, but there's no guarantee LvG totally changes his side in these cup games. He put out some ridiculously strong sides against the likes of Preston and Cambridge and it is possible that's how he operates, unlike how Fergie did in games like that.

Also, for him to be a fit in the current system we use he can either play on the left or right. We have Depay, Mata, Young and Di Maria currently vying for 2 spots already, it's going to be hard for him to get into the team as a sub, let alone a starter.

Been saying this for months. Shteve McClaren would gladly take him.

 

[Speak]

I'm for loaning him too. Seems a bit of a kick in the teeth after having a breakthrough, but it's probably for the best.

I just find Premier League loans so dodgy. Is he a clear upgrade for the passing teams in the league?
And the teams in the bottom third tend to have their own issues and usually prefer athletes and less risky players. He'll be seen as a wide man wherever he goes.

People have suggested Everton. But would they play both him and Barkley behind Lukaku regularly? Delofeu only managed 9 starts their during his loan spell. He'd get 25-30 starts in La Liga easily. But I doubt he fancies a move like that, and it's a totally different style of play.

 

[Cantona'sCollar]

I'm for loaning him too. Seems a bit of a kick in the teeth after having a breakthrough, but it's probably for the best.

I just find Premier League loans so dodgy. Is he a clear upgrade for the passing teams in the league?
And the teams in the bottom third tend to have their own issues and usually prefer athletes and less risky players. He'll be seen as a wide man wherever he goes.

People have suggested Everton. But would they play both him and Barkley behind Lukaku regularly? Delofeu only managed 9 starts their during his loan spell. He'd get 25-30 starts in La Liga easily. But I doubt he fancies a move like that, and it's a totally different style of play.

Good post. The bolded part is true. I think a lot of people here don't want to see him loaned out because of the Moyes season, but there is almost no way he is going to cement a spot in our side for 15/16 when our 3 forward spots (I assume we will play 433, or some variation of that sort where we have 3 midfielders, and not two) will have options like Rooney, Mata, Depay, Di Maria, RVP (possibly), with Young & Wilson both being predicted to see a lot of pitch-time. Also, if Chicharito goes (I know Januzaj is not likely to compete directly, as he'll be wide or behind the striker), we're likely to buy another forward. Adnan needs to go on loan so he can have regular game-time to both develop and prove himself for United.

That said, I don't know if the Deulofeu comparison is apt - Januzaj has been off-form for quite some time now, but has shown himself to be a better footballer. He definitely has more quality in him, it is just a matter of putting it all together on the pitch - he's simply too ineffective right now. If Everton could guarantee that he plays as much as possible when fit (within reason), i'm all for it, but it's too hard to predict whether he will kick on or not.

I'm undecided myself on where I think we should loan him to, but I do feel that he has to go for a year at the very least. He has huge talent that cannot be put to waste.

 

[caid]

PSV wouldn't be a bad loan option. Everton wouldn't be bad either, keep him close enough to home which could be important to a player his age.
Still dont see why people think januzaj is a #10 and not a winger though.

Does he play as a 10 for the youth teams or something.
Always looked much better on the wing to me.

 

[londonredmaniac]

PSV wouldn't be a bad loan option. Everton wouldn't be bad either, keep him close enough to home which could be important to a player his age.
Still dont see why people think januzaj is a #10 and not a winger though.

Does he play as a 10 for the youth teams or something.
Always looked much better on the wing to me.

He has never really been a natural winger in the U21 and U18 mate. Certainly not from what I have seen either live on tele. He actually played as a striker for the U21 too.

I'd much prefer him to go to Everton/Newcastle than PSV though.

 

[El-Manos]

Still fully believe he will be a very important player for us in the future.

 

[londonredmaniac]

Still fully believe he will be a very important player for us in the future.

There is no need for us to even consider selling him. I think a loan in the prem will do him the world of good.

 

[Bwuk]

I'd keep him until Christmas, and if he isn't featuring by then loan him out.

I also don't think he's a winger, he'd be better suited centrally. I wonder how he'd do in midfield. I'd rather him there than Rooney anyway.

 

[XdanielredX]

Think some people just need to take a step back, chill out, watch this and remember what a special talent with so much potential we have on our hands and that we can't just act so flippant about him leaving just cause of one bad season.

One bad season at 19/20 years old, in his second season of professional football, that hardly played, competing for spots with the likes of Juan Mata, Angel Di Maria, Wayne Rooney etc


Cause everyone will be complaining just like they do with Pogba if he slips through the cracks too.

 

[Striker10]

His long terms futures here but he's not won the trust that you can play him week in week out and he'll score or get assists. I know he said he was working on his strength so hopefully that aids his development but sometimes you watch him and he's an intelligent passer. He can slip players through and shoot from range. I don't think he will ever be a great goalscorer but he is creative and hopefully he can be moved in a more offensive central role. His ability to run at players is very good.

 

[ghagua]

If he is loaned out, hopefully it will be a team like Swansea who play good football. Don't think it's a good idea to let him go abroad at the moment. He needs to develop in the Premier league, and a team which plays good football would do him a world of good. Hopefully Januzaj had time to reflect on the season he had and why he was not playing in the first team. He needs to get better with his decision making and work a little bit harder.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Think some people just need to take a step back, chill out, watch this and remember what a special talent with so much potential we have on our hands and that we can't just act so flippant about him leaving just cause of one bad season.

One bad season at 19/20 years old, in his second season of professional football, that hardly played, competing for spots with the likes of Juan Mata, Angel Di Maria, Wayne Rooney etc


Cause everyone will be complaining just like they do with Pogba if he slips through the cracks too.

Such a brilliant talent.

 

[Sam]

Sometimes I forget what a talent we have on our hands. Just looking at the Sterling thread, we easily overlook the fact we also have someone with similar potential on our hands. (Obviously Sterling is much more advance in his development right now) Seriously hope we don't mess this one up because this kid has real talent.

Sterling is miles better then Januzaj.

 

[Speak]

If he is loaned out, hopefully it will be a team like Swansea who play good football. Don't think it's a good idea to let him go abroad at the moment. He needs to develop in the Premier league, and a team which plays good football would do him a world of good. Hopefully Januzaj had time to reflect on the season he had and why he was not playing in the first team. He needs to get better with his decision making and work a little bit harder.

Even Swansea's a tricky one. It's only really the bottom five or six clubs that loan in key players. The rest of them tend to loan in players for added numbers. Swansea are pretty stable, with quite a consistent first eleven.

Swansea would basically see it as them doing us a favour as much as we're doing them a favour, whereas you want the club you're loaning to to feel as if you've done them a huge favour by giving them a key player. I don't know. Maybe I'm underestimating how much game time he'd get at a Premier League team.

If he's not going to play consistently, then there's little point in a loan happening.

 

[Laphroaig]

He did what?!!?!!

http://thepeoplesperson.com/2013/10...-hailed-biggest-talent-by-ex-team-mate-29552/

I don't know about playing style, but I see some physical resemblance myself, actually.

Uh, that quote's not from Moyes, but "Yannick Ferrera, Anderlecht’s youth coach between 2004 and 2010".

 

[dsch]

Thought this belongs here also (from the Twitter thread): http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/...d-to-be-at-man-united-next-season-aims-to-be-

Exclusive: 20 year old to be at Man United next season, aims to be 'a legend' at the club

This week there have been reports in the Basque media about Adnan Januzaj going to Real Sociedad on loan next season. The claims appeared to be largely based on reports of the Manchester United star having a meeting with former manager David Moyes in Marbella. Those claims were covered by The Daily Express but we traced them back to what appeared to be a Twitter 'ITK' account. It was eye opening that the rumour had got so far and, whilst it seemed to be rubbish, we checked with Januzaj's agent Dirk De Vriese.

De Vriese was happy to confirm our suspicions that the hotel meeting never happened and was a figment of someone's imagination which had somehow turned into a press story in both the British and Spanish media. On top of that De Vriese explained that the plan is for Januzaj to remain where he is and kick on next season to fulfil his dream of becoming a legend at the Premier League club.

De Vriese told Sport Witness "This is total nonsense. Adnan is feeling good at Manchester United and they don't want him to leave the club, he is considered still as their biggest talent since many years. There was a lot of top teams asking to buy him and a lot of sub-top teams to loan him but he will stay at Manchester United to become a legend in the club."

Those will be soothing words for Manchester United fans keen on seeing Januzaj progress next season. The last campaign was a difficult one for the young Belgium, with opportunities limited as Manchester United faced limited games with European football but things are looking different for the next campaign.

 

[Nate Dogg]

Thought this belongs here also (from the Twitter thread): http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/...d-to-be-at-man-united-next-season-aims-to-be-

Exclusive: 20 year old to be at Man United next season, aims to be 'a legend' at the club

Great news, he has the talent just needs the games and i would also say that when he gets his chance he needs to make the most of his opportunity.

 

[RikRuud]

Excellent news. Should hopefully start being groomed for the #10 position next season. I eventually see him as Rooney's successor but he needs to kick on pre season.

 

[SilentWitness]

Never really understood why people were suggesting Januzaj to come on loan to us this season as we are well stocked in the positions which he would be trying to push for a place in and we look like we want to continue reinforcing it with someone like Deulofeu. It's best for him to stay with United anyway as he doesn't look out of place in terms of quality or talent and despite not getting an abundance of game time he is still in and around the squad and will get around 20 games this season due to the CL. He'll be playing in the cup games anyway i'd imagine.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

There was a suggestion (I think from an Andy Mitten column) that Januzaj was being moved more centrally. So likely the attacking midfield role, or potentially up front.

I closely watched Januzaj twice at the back end of last season, in the u21's against City and when he came on for di Maria vs Hull. And I think he was the best player in both matches. Would really like him to be given his shot. The links to attacking mid's such as Firmino worry me though, because it will limit his chances.

 

[Crumpsall Red]

Think some people just need to take a step back, chill out, watch this and remember what a special talent with so much potential we have on our hands and that we can't just act so flippant about him leaving just cause of one bad season.

One bad season at 19/20 years old, in his second season of professional football, that hardly played, competing for spots with the likes of Juan Mata, Angel Di Maria, Wayne Rooney etc


Cause everyone will be complaining just like they do with Pogba if he slips through the cracks too.

If he was a potential new signing and some on here watched that video there would be a jizz fest

 

[NinjaZombie]

Uh, that quote's not from Moyes, but "Yannick Ferrera, Anderlecht’s youth coach between 2004 and 2010".

Yeah, i linked to the wrong article. But Moyes did parrot that opinion as well. Just Google it.

 

[Santiago_KinderBueno]

Anybody ready for Januzaj the CF?

More & More space opening up considering how many forwards look like departing.

Januzaj at LM/RM is a hot prospect waiting to get cold.

Consider two wingers both cutting in and a CF like Januzaj overlapping in to space from the centre. Sometimes you really do have to Love van gaal. What a genius.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...nited-want-convert-Adnan-Januzaj-striker.html

 

[Rezyuz]

Anybody ready for Januzaj the CF?

More & More space opening up considering how many forwards look like departing.

Januzaj at LM/RM is a hot prospect waiting to get cold.

Consider two wingers both cutting in and a CF like Januzaj overlapping in to space from the centre. Sometimes you really do have to Love van gaal. What a genius.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...nited-want-convert-Adnan-Januzaj-striker.html

I never understood why they keep placing him on the wings. It doesn't matter if we play with wide forwards, but it does matter a feck load if we play with traditional wingers who are considered midfielders. The distance to goal is huge, and thats where his lack of pace shows.

Give him the ball around the 16, let him beat his opponent and take a shot, give that deadly through ball or let him drive defenders nuts for fouls. He is a pure 10. If you position him somewhere else you simply do not understand where his talent lies.

 

[Brightonian]

He's such a beautiful string-puller and passer though, it's always seemed a waste to me to try and push him into any position which prevents him from showcasing the sheer variety of talents he has. He can pass and dribble like a #10, beat a man and cross like a winger, scheme like a #8, finish like a forward. You lose so many of those things if you just play him up front.

That said, if Van Gaal has shown one ability consistently so far this season it's to know where a player needs to play in order to perform. Look at how he's got the best out of Fellaini, Young, Herrera, has managed to get Mata and Valencia performing in what would on paper appear to be imperfect positions for them.

 

[Pexbo]

I never understood why they keep placing him on the wings. It doesn't matter if we play with wide forwards, but it does matter a feck load if we play with traditional wingers who are considered midfielders. The distance to goal is huge, and thats where his lack of pace shows.

Give him the ball around the 16, let him beat his opponent and take a shot, give that deadly through ball or let him drive defenders nuts for fouls. He is a pure 10. If you position him somewhere else you simply do not understand where his talent lies.

Number 10 is a key position and we have various players who offer something different, and better, than Januzaj does right now.

He'll learn plenty from wider positions before he earns his starts centrally.

 

[Santiago_KinderBueno]

I never understood why they keep placing him on the wings. It doesn't matter if we play with wide forwards, but it does matter a feck load if we play with traditional wingers who are considered midfielders. The distance to goal is huge, and thats where his lack of pace shows.

Give him the ball around the 16, let him beat his opponent and take a shot, give that deadly through ball or let him drive defenders nuts for fouls. He is a pure 10. If you position him somewhere else you simply do not understand where his talent lies.

Precisely. Its not only pace that he lacks but he lacks the ability to shoot from the wide positions.

His best performances has come when he scored volleys and goals from within the 18 yard box. Have him centrally and let him drift in to the left or right spaces created by depay etc cutting in.

 

[Santiago_KinderBueno]

Number 10 is a key position and we have various players who offer something different, and better, than Januzaj does right now.

He'll learn plenty from wider positions before he earns his starts centrally.

It might be a important position but its not one for us. When exactly have we played with a no 10? If we did; mata would definitely not have been put out on the RW.

Slowly it looks as the strikers that are predominantly left behind are players who play through a combination of a number 10 & a striker.

The false 9 position is a bee's nest because of mr. Messi; yet both Rooney & Januxaj( if he plays as a CF) will have the ability.

The 352 is a formation of the 433 with a false number 9, while the 352 is the 433 with a false number 6.

 

[Brightonian]

Also, can we just acknowledge that no foul was given for 6:00 in that video. That's the kind of shit he's had to deal with for the past two seasons, and because the soundbite parrots got hold of the ideal that he's fragile and goes down easily, referees just consistently ignored it.

Yes, he is somewhat lightweight, but the defender who did something so blatant to Messi or Hazard would be looking down the barrel of a yellow card without a second's thought.

 

[Pexbo]

It might be a important position but its not one for us. When exactly have we played with a no 10? If we did; mata would definitely not have been put out on the RW.

Slowly it looks as the strikers that are predominantly left behind are players who play through a combination of a number 10 & a striker.

The false 9 position is a bee's nest because of mr. Messi; yet both Rooney & Januxaj( if he plays as a CF) will have the ability.

The 352 is a formation of the 433 with a false number 9, while the 352 is the 433 with a false number 6.

Well that's kind of the point. It's a key position, is Adnan ready to play ahead of all the options we have there let alone force us to play a different formation to accommodate him?

For me, no. Not yet. Playing wide will teach him a lot. He might be a better 10 than wide player but right now we're more likely to pick up points with him wide than being the key man central to everything. Does that mean he won't get great stats or look amazing? Sure, but it won't affect Van Gaals opinion of him, he knows the score and how to bring him through.

 

[caid]

Number 10 is a key position and we have various players who offer something different, and better, than Januzaj does right now.

He'll learn plenty from wider positions before he earns his starts centrally.

I've never understood the desire to push players like that more centrally.
I dont really know where the lack of pace thing comes from either, hes not that quick but hes isn't at all slow either.
Playing on the wings gives players space and it makes it easier for them to isolate players and beat them, things hes good at.
They have more time to get the ball out of their feet, less defensive responsibility (your not going to have a pirlo or the like you need to keep pressure on).
I dont see him as a striker really. I thought hes played better on the wing than the odd time i've seen him at #10 too.

I kind of prefer playing 2 cm and a dm in a 3 man midfield personally anyway but whatever, just a matter of taste.

 

[Santiago_KinderBueno]

I've never understood the desire to push players like that more centrally.
I dont really know where the lack of pace thing comes from either, hes not that quick but hes isn't at all slow either.
Playing on the wings gives players space and it makes it easier for them to isolate players and beat them, things hes good at.
They have more time to get the ball out of their feet, less defensive responsibility (your not going to have a pirlo or the like you need to keep pressure on).
I dont see him as a striker really. I thought hes played better on the wing than the odd time i've seen him at #10 too.

I kind of prefer playing 2 cm and a dm in a 3 man midfield personally anyway but whatever, just a matter of taste.

I hate talking about pace because i end up sounding like a kid.

Alot depends on your view of what the wide player does. Consider the front 2 of the 352 formation. 2 strikers. Now consider the 433. That could be one striker with 2 wingers, or 2 forwards with one false 9.

Can januzaj really play on the wing? He can beat a man but what does he do next? Does he cross the ball or does he shoot? He doesnt really have the ability to cut in to space to take a shot on goal, neither does he have pace to push defenders back.

We dont even play crossing style football all except for the involvement of fellaini. So januzaj's core strengths are our teams negligence.

 

[jb8521]

Anybody ready for Januzaj the CF?

More & More space opening up considering how many forwards look like departing.

Januzaj at LM/RM is a hot prospect waiting to get cold.

Consider two wingers both cutting in and a CF like Januzaj overlapping in to space from the centre. Sometimes you really do have to Love van gaal. What a genius.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...nited-want-convert-Adnan-Januzaj-striker.html

This report is from over 2 months ago and is based on nothing

 

[Santiago_KinderBueno]

Well that's kind of the point. It's a key position, is Adnan ready to play ahead of all the options we have there let alone force us to play a different formation to accommodate him?

For me, no. Not yet. Playing wide will teach him a lot. He might be a better 10 than wide player but right now we're more likely to pick up points with him wide than being the key man central to everything. Does that mean he won't get great stats or look amazing? Sure, but it won't affect Van Gaals opinion of him, he knows the score and how to bring him through.

Okay i get you now. Having watched van gaal pretty closely; ive been waiting around to see the little tweaks he does with players, the way he approached schweinsteiger & co back in their youth.

Januzaj might not get alot of games there but lets not forget as things stand we are looking at having a very few strikers upfront. Your viewpoint could be equally associated to van gaals opinion of Mcnair at RB.

 

[Santiago_KinderBueno]

This report is from over 2 months ago and is based on nothing

I knew it was old; i just bought it up as a possibility on to the reasoning that we are potentially losing 3 strikers in a matter of a month. Its looking more likely that this may turn out to be true.

 

[caid]

I hate talking about pace because i end up sounding like a kid.

Alot depends on your view of what the wide player does. Consider the front 2 of the 352 formation. 2 strikers. Now consider the 433. That could be one striker with 2 wingers, or 2 forwards with one false 9.

Can januzaj really play on the wing? He can beat a man but what does he do next? Does he cross the ball or does he shoot? He doesnt really have the ability to cut in to space to take a shot on goal, neither does he have pace to push defenders back.

We dont even play crossing style football all except for the involvement of fellaini. So januzaj's core strengths are our teams negligence.

Video above says your wrong - you seem him beating players and making enough room to get a shot in repeatedly, you see it most time he plays.
That dive against arsenal in the fa cup for instance. He took it after beating 1 or 2 players.
Ok he doesn't leave defenders for dead like di maria (or not all of them) but he still goes past them.
Crossing is always going to be a part of football. Not having your cb's playing 40 yard passes to the big guy over and over is one thing. Not crossing is another thing entirely.

The thing with playing a 10 like januzaj or mata is it leaves less room for your wingers to cut inside, or for your striker to drop back into.
Its not a role im fond of tbh. I think it drags your wingers back down the pitch and forces them to do a fair bit of defending.
Regardless hes probably our 4th or 5th best #10 so its kind of irrelevant.

I dont think the 3-5-2 is that relevant either or likely to make a return.

 

[jb8521]

I knew it was old; i just bought it up as a possibility on to the reasoning that we are potentially losing 3 strikers in a matter of a month. Its looking more likely that this may turn out to be true.

Well you'd think if we had plans to turn him into a striker he would have played games for the under 21s as a striker but he didnt he played on the wings