Has it been reported that he was specifically offered to Roma?Why offer to a club who does not have much money anyways? Surely there must be richer clubs who‘d be interested
Like who? He's terrible.Why offer to a club who does not have much money anyways? Surely there must be richer clubs who‘d be interested
Falcao was a crocked loan. He scored a couple of goals, earned a fair whack, then got sent back.Falcao?? Pretty close i reckon.
I honestly think Lingard has been better than him and I don't even like LingardI’d still rather have him in the club than Lingard.
Do you think giving Alexis the odd game here and there will make it easier to sell him? That's a sure fire way to reduce his value and make sure we're stuck with him fr the duration of his contract.I don't get this. Alexis is not a starter. He will make no difference to Mason or Gomes development. If the latter play well they will start, as shown in preseason. If they don't however why not keep him, rather than pay 70% of his salary to play somewhere else?
Our lack of depth up top could say otherwise.Because it's better to gain some slightly extra funds and get a distraction away from the club. There is no point in having him.
That’s the best cause scenario. Does a year there and gets his mojo back. We sign some new midfielders and he comes back with another two years on his contract.You know what’s going to happen don’t you? Sanchez goes to Roma and he suddenly starts scoring 30 goals a season again.......
This is not only extremely Yoda like (is that you, Darth Sidious?). The loan could be great for him and staying could be great for him.I was thinking we should give Sanchez a chance to prove himself, because he's an excellent player when at his best. I've changed my mind though. The reason is I don't think he cares about Manchester United at all. I don't use social media, but I just had a quick look on his twitter and saw there is nothing whatsoever about us. Why is that? Whatever people might think of our average players, at least they care about the club they pay for. Then we have Sanchez, on the biggest wages of everyone too.
I don't want to loan him though, no way. Let him waste the end of his career rotting on the bench of the under 23s. Don't give him a single minute of play time. If there is an offer to buy, anything reasonable, take it, don't haggle on this one, just get rid of him.
Seriously? I mean i get the whole jlingz cringy stuff but he's not a bad footballer. Just not consistent.I’d still rather have him in the club than Lingard.
Great idea. With Young out of the starting lineup we'll need a performance thread to vent. Oh well there's Matic. He has no shortage of shyte performancesNo point in letting him leave if United are paying any portion of his wages.
At the very least, play him when possible or when it makes sense to take the load, pressure and expectations off Greenwood. Maybe try him in the hole when needed. He's been good when playing centrally for United in patches, but then his body breaks down and he's out weeks on weeks.
He's a good distraction to have when results don't go their way or if Greenwood, Gomes, Rashford, Martial, etc. have a poor match and Sanchez is average. He can take the "blame" and be the intended/unintended shield for the young players when the criticism comes along.
Lingard is not high quality but he offers miles more than Sanchez to Ole as he's perfectly suited to his fast transitioning, high pressing system. And he actually looked really sharp in preseason scoring a couple of good goals and pressing like crazy.I’d still rather have him in the club than Lingard.
You are probably right, I cannot think of a worse transfer.Worst transfer in history.
Give me a better example? Go?
Give me a guy on 400k a week who can't contribute a thing to his team and is getting loaned out with his wages covered.
100% worst transfer football has ever seen.
Really? One may not offer much, but the other is perenially injured. At least Lingard pops up with the odd goal and can be used as a backupI’d still rather have him in the club than Lingard.
Aaron Wan-Bissaka is that type of personality.Sanchez only friend was Lukaku , the guy is known to being lonely all the time. Thats the total opposite of what Ole wants.
Well said. The obsession in vilifying him is ridiculous. He is clearly trying his best and if anyone’s is at fault, it is Jose and Woody for signing and paying a crazy amount to a player that was on the decline.I just don’t get the continual slating of Sanchez. FFS it’s a new beginning, he’s undoubtedly a quality footballer so just get behind him and at least help in trying to get his form back. It’s pathetic to remain bitter towards him because he hasn’t yet delivered, so what that’s gone. Embrace the bloke and try and help him rather than get on his back.
Agree 100%. New season, new slate. Supporters in the ground will get behind him regardless so as long as he avoids social media he'll feel nothing but love. If he's still making no contribution by January then I'd have no problem with him going out on loan or being sold as long as Utd add a body to replace him if need be.I just don’t get the continual slating of Sanchez. FFS it’s a new beginning, he’s undoubtedly a quality footballer so just get behind him and at least help in trying to get his form back. It’s pathetic to remain bitter towards him because he hasn’t yet delivered, so what that’s gone. Embrace the bloke and try and help him rather than get on his back.
And Matic is well.... MaticI wish I could but really I can't. Considering the circumstances (his production, wages, injuries) There's really not a worse transfer I could ever think of. If you think about it pretty much every single signing Jose made bar Lindelöf and Pogba has been nothing but a waste. Mkhi fecked off to Arsenal for someone who ended up being worse, Bailly's career pretty much already over at 25, Lukaku a waste of money and now also gone, Fred an absolute disaster and then we have Alexis to top it off. So much money wasted for nothing..
Is he clearly trying his best? Not at all what its looked like the past 9 months...Well said. The obsession in vilifying him is ridiculous. He is clearly trying his best and if anyone’s is at fault, it is Jose and Woody for signing and paying a crazy amount to a player that was on the decline.
Given the inexperience of our current forward line, he may be able to turn things around but the completely negativity surely can’t be helping.
Is he clearly trying his best? Not at all what its looked like the past 9 months...
Neither of those were expected to be a key players for their teams though and in many of those examples they went to a teams that were well build and would ease their transition.Not really, there is nothing to support that, players are unique and their injury records are personal. Also he will be 18 in less than 2 months, we aren't talking about a player just entering the academy, he isn't that young and there are plenty of players who start playing a decent amount of games at that age, in all leagues. Henry, Sterling, Hazard, Ronaldo, Messi and many other players among famous attackers.
They play part time, not full time and the expectations are different, especially coming through at a top team. Sanchez was injured in the last 1.5 seasons a lot and played in differen, dysfunctional set ups. The same could happen to Mason who can be labeled "shit" soon enough. We're very short in attack. If we are to replace Sanchez I have nothing against even let him go on a free, however with the window shut I really don't see the point here.A lot of 18 year olds (he will be for most of the season) play for the first team. In order to replace Sanchez he doesn't need to score a bunch of goals. He needs to score what, 3 goals? It's not like Sanchez was some mainstay smashing in goals. His scoring and general play has been awful for 1.5 seasons.
He presses and works hard, I think you can't hold that against him. Martial is worse fit on paper in Ole's style as his work rate is pretty much non existent if we look at past seasons.Do you think giving Alexis the odd game here and there will make it easier to sell him? That's a sure fire way to reduce his value and make sure we're stuck with him fr the duration of his contract.
He's completely unsuited to the style Ole wants to play. He doesn't score goals. Keeping him here serves no purpose for us or him.
Can't fault his effort imo but he's lost pretty much everything else.Is he clearly trying his best? Not at all what its looked like the past 9 months...
If he plays a just small squad role this season his reputation will be finished as a top footballer and nobody will take him off us. We can't just release him next summer without paying off the rest of his 400k a week contract for another 2.5 years. That's a huge amount of money. If he goes to Italy and plays in a slower league in a team more suited to him he will hopefully start to rebuild his reputation and generate some interest before he's well into his 30s and unsellable. We pay less of his wages and his value increases. Win/win.He presses and works hard, I think you can't hold that against him. Martial is worse fit on paper in Ole's style as his work rate is pretty much non existent if we look at past seasons.
If Alexis finds some form it will be easier to sell him no doubt. At the moment it's the lowest point of his career so his value could only go up.
As I said I don't expect him to become a key member, but in a short attack he might be useful for the next season. Then sell him, release him or whatever at the start of the next window when we can actually bring some more numbers in.
Greenwood isn't expected to be a key player too, unless I missed something.Neither of those were expected to be a key players for their teams though and in many of those examples they went to a teams that were well build and would ease their transition.
Also we don't know how his injury record will look as of now as he is just entering the first team. It's a big unknown at the moment and it can go either way. Rossi for example wasn't that injury prone in the youth setup from memory.
As I said it will be different regime to what he is used so far and no doubt he will bulk up considering he will be playing against more physical defenders compared to youth level.
From yesterday's presser Ole said Greenwood is expected to feature a lot, I understand this as being a being first teamer. Considering the competition for place I'm not surprised that he will be considered as such.Greenwood isn't expected to be a key player too, unless I missed something.
I understand where you are coming from but even if he features less would his reputation become worse? I mean we can gain more than we can lose here. At least next year he can feck off to China with his reputation being completely finished. Some team would probably take him for a year or two.If he plays a just small squad role this season his reputation will be finished as a top footballer and nobody will take him off us. We can't just release him next summer without paying off the rest of his 400k a week contract for another 2.5 years. That's a huge amount of money. If he goes to Italy and plays in a slower league in a team more suited to him he will hopefully start to rebuild his reputation and generate some interest before he's well into his 30s and unsellable. We pay less of his wages and his value increases. Win/win.
I get what people are saying. Why pay him to play for somebody else when we are short of attackers? The real question though imo is whether keeping him here serves any real purpose. He's not a good fit for the team. He tries but hasn't the explosiveness required for Ole's style. He doesn't score goals. Comparisons with Martial fall flat on those 2 points. Martial at least has the tools to do what Ole wants.
By all accounts he's also a sulky fecker who doesn't really get on with any of his team mates. He's easy fodder for the media to highlight the problems in the club. He is used by other players as a benchmark in contract demands. The best message the club could put out for Ole's regime would be to get him as far away as possible.