Sunny Jim
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Being a club renowned for its wingers, our style of play last season was "unusually" balanced:
where did you get that form mate?
Being a club renowned for its wingers, our style of play last season was "unusually" balanced:
yes he is....Giggs thenIsnt Scholes suspended?
I made a famous thread about it the other day. Got it from a blog. It was sourced there.where did you get that form mate?
He doesn't have to "light the game up" though does he? A solid performance where he stays involved and makes some good forward runs will be an improvement over the crap we've had in the last 2 games. That should be enough to keep his place tooFunny how the poor form of our wingers was rubbished by many when offered up as a reason why Scholes didn't play so well, and yet now it is already almost an early excuse for Anderson in case he doesn't light the game up on Wednesday.
yeah famous...one couldn't have missed itI made a famous thread about it the other day. Got it from a blog. It was sourced there.
https://www.redcafe.net/f7/teams-style-play-361954/
Imo, too much is made of 'sloppy passing'. Anderson is an 'adventurous' passer in the Giggs mould. The day his pass completion stats equal the safety first Cleverley's, he won't be Anderson anymore.Anderson's attitude and effort have been outstanding this season. No sulking about having to come off the bench.
Is he done with the sloppy passing and ready to consistently produce moments of magic like we saw on the weekend? I'm still not a believer.
But until United buy a midfielder, there is an opportunity there for Anderson to seize and to prove himself. Now is the time, and you sense by his attitude that Anderson knows it too.
Agreed, it's half the reason he changes our play so much. And it's why they play so well together, but never look quite as good when there's only one of them playing. With just Cleverley we play a bit too safe, and with just Anderson we have too little control.Imo, too much is made of 'sloppy passing'. Anderson is an 'adventurous' passer in the Giggs mould. The day his pass completion stats equal the safety first Cleverley's, he won't be Anderson anymore.
For better or worse, Fergie has to let Anderson be Anderson. (not to say he can't improve his concentration and eliminate carelessness, but he's a risk-taker)
That's actually surprising.Being a club renowned for its wingers, our style of play last season was "unusually" balanced:
Much obliged
That what you're looking for?
where did you get that form mate?
Not sure where you got that from but Lol at Stoke.
Ash sorry, forgot to the source. I got it from the blog cited in Snow's thread. Funnily enough, I had not seen his thread until now.I made a famous thread about it the other day. Got it from a blog. It was sourced there.
https://www.redcafe.net/f7/teams-style-play-361954/
You seem literally obsessed with stats.Exciting news lads. Ando has the highest pass completion rate in the Prem and the 5th highest in Europe.
http://www.whoscored.com/Statistics
Might be a stretch. They hold more truth for me than most peoples subjective opinion.You seem literally obsessed with stats.
Who's 2nd in our squad?Exciting news lads. Ando has the highest pass completion rate in the Prem and the 5th highest in Europe.
http://www.whoscored.com/Statistics
#5 Anderson 93.1Who's 2nd in our squad?
Ok, that was funny. It started with two runs down dead ends and then a ball for Rafa who fell over.
That what you're looking for?
He's only had one league start so far this season. That stat will surely come down soon enough.Whatever you say about stats, him being higher than Ferdinand and Scholes is fecking impressive.
There's no way such a progressive passer as Anderson has any right to be placed higher than a CB like Rio.
Exactly.He's only had one league start so far this season. That stat will surely come down soon enough.
Yeah, more than anyone else on here and I thought we had some right stat-geeks already! I like stats more than most but I only really find them useful when there's a huge range of opinions and they can be used to provide a tiny bit of clarity. It seems like there's a growing number of people that use stats as one of their main ways of judging a player which I find very strange.You seem literally obsessed with stats.
Does it really matter that much when he has made 0.3 key passes a game? Arteta is second by 0.1% and he creates a chance 1.2 times per game. He also plays deeper. 0.3 is slightly less than Evans btw.Exciting news lads. Ando has the highest pass completion rate in the Prem and the 5th highest in Europe.
http://www.whoscored.com/Statistics
Well that's certainly a factor. Our passes haven't been the most expansive this season. Players like Clev, Young are constantly playing the safe pass.We are joint second in Europe, with Bayern, for team pass completion. No prizes for guessing who is first.
Cynics will tell you that is because teams are now dropping off us and letting us have the ball whilst we zombie pass for a while until we hit Tony V.
I think most people could be forgiven for not picking up on a 3% increase in passing accuracy.Yeah, more than anyone else on here and I thought we had some right stat-geeks already! I like stats more than most but I only really find them useful when there's a huge range of opinions and they can be used to provide a tiny bit of clarity. It seems like there's a growing number of people that use stats as one of their main ways of judging a player which I find very strange.
Anyway, I agree that Anderson's limited playing time so far means that it's such a small sample range it shouldn't be paid attention to in any way. Regardless of that there's no doubt in my mind that Anderson has improved his passing consistency each year he's been here. It goes against the common theme that he hasn't improved in any way that was popular just 12 months ago and might even be popular now, but it was very evident. To provide a little evidence of that...
11/12: 442/514 - 86%
10/11: 567/684 - 83%
09/10: 466/584 - 80%
So it'll be no surprise to me to me to see him consistently in and around the 90% mark this year, particularly given our focus on possession play as a team this season.
Well, considering the stats include appearances as a sub, that's hardly surprising is it?Does it really matter that much when he has made 0.3 key passes a game? Arteta is second by 0.1% and he creates a chance 1.2 times per game. He also plays deeper. 0.3 is slightly less than Evans btw.
Anderson also has 0.3 dribbles per game so far... Not too inspiring when its probably the best part of his game
I dont expect him to be near Arteta, he's not as good a player. But perhaps wait for him to create a couple more oppertunities than Evans before we start celebrating.Well, considering the stats include appearances as a sub, that's hardly surprising is it?
"Inspiring" wouldn't be the word if he was anywhere near Arteta considering this, "superman" would be.
You're still not understanding, Evans and Arteta start most games don't they? And because of that they have 90 mins to make key passes right?I dont expect him to be near Arteta, he's not as good a player. But perhaps wait for him to create a couple more oppertunities than Evans before we start celebrating.
I knew before you mentioned it that he's been a sub all the time. He has 2 this season including appearances, all in one match.You're still not understanding, Evans and Arteta start most games don't they? And because of that they have 90 mins to make key passes right?
That stat does not tell us how many key passes a player makes per 10 minutes on the field.
You either don't understand the stat or you're on a bizarre wind up.
a) People did pick up on the 3% difference, there were various people commenting on Anderson putting in performances like his 98/103 passes or whatever it was v Bolton and a couple of other teams, and he got plenty of praise for improving his passing game. It's just people easily forget when it comes to Anderson because he's in and out of the team so many times and the frustration boils over with him, which is why you get such ludicrous opinions like those of pocco writing him off as an average player only a few weeks ago...I think most people could be forgiven for not picking up on a 3% increase in passing accuracy.
I'm not sure how much stock I can put into such a marginal statistical improvement, it will obviously waver by a few percent each year and could be affected by various factors like dead rubber sub appearances, low quality opposition etc.
This year is the first in four that he's improved in my opinion, give him a five game run Fergie and then we can start to properly assess.
He's started just 1 PL match right?I knew before you mentioned it that he's been a sub all the time. He has 2 this season including appearances, all in one match.
Word.I knew you'd like it. Your love for Anderson overcomes far outweighs your dislike for me!
Think so. Plus 78 mins from the bench at various times.He's started just 1 PL match right?