seeing as we can’t give henderson away, should we employ him as a kind of “cricketing back-stop” to cover onana when he’s out of his goal? as long as they remember to shout “rush goalie” i think they’ll both be able to use their hands in turn.
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He's going to be an absolute target for the media, when he has the same ability as Ederson and Allison who are the media darlings of GKs
You know what the issue is, and I hope people don't take it the wrong way. But along with evolving our team and play-style, ten Hag also needs to evolve and modernise the mindsets of some in our fan base who refuse to even attempt to understand what the role of the goalkeeper is in a team that is looking to play proactive football in and out of possession. And the GK is quite clearly the 11th outfield player in such a approach but this doesn't register with a certain mindset.
Onana of course has to be positioned where he is because that's his role as the 11th outfield passing option. But you cannot as a player in the defensive line give the ball away whilst having time and space to make the pass. And because Dalot gave the ball away cheaply in a very dangerous area of the pitch, it turned a advantageous situation into a disadvantage due to Onana being higher up the pitch. It's why I keep banging on about having players in the first phase who are very good on the ball and provide the technical security in possesion to enforce the advantage of having the GK higher up the pitch as a extra passing option.
But having said that, the finish was superb from the Lens players and he punished Dalot's cheap giveaway with aplomb.
How'd he do today?
Was good. Not much to deal with though.
When social media is ruthless, sometimes media has no choice. We'll just have to keep winning games.
The media will be cheering every time Onana concedes a goal and every time Hojlund misses a chance...the articles write themselves.
All the more reason to completely ignore the noise and just support the team.
All the more reason to completely ignore the noise and just support the team.
He had a good game. 6 saves, 45/52 passes made and 8 accurate long balls.
Memes have started already as expected. Who cares though.
It is incredible how many bad takes there are on social media regarding the chip on Onana. It very clearly was not his fault.
And of course Dalot is completely to blame for the goal.
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The exact opposite mentality to our former captain Maguire.
The Sun has an article saying United fans are calling for a refund on Onana.
It's disgusting really.
Gonna be a lot of bending over backwards to make things not his fault this season I fear. That goal is absolutely his fault, not a terrible error since its such a good strike but definitely his error.
I’m not saying Dalot wasn’t at fault, but I am saying that Onana needs to take some responsibility too! If that was Alison or Ederson (and certainly DDG!) we’d all be laughing and blaming them, but it’s our shiny new toy and he’s beyond criticism as yet!
As per my original post, I’m pleased we’ve got him and look forward to seeing his contribution in our build up play but he has to take some responsibility, any keeper getting lobbed from the half way line simply has to!
agreed…
I would rather this happens now before the first league game,has given him a wake up call about coming too far out of his goal
Probably 50/50, Lens obviously did their homework as they tried a few more times in the second half
The 'its Dalot's fault' posts are fairly pointless. We will lose the ball in midfield on a regular basis, keeper needs to be prepared for that eventuality
To be fair half of the Caf will be cheering as well because they're miserable gits.
On a serious note - why are discussing their goal in this thread? I think Dalot’s performance thread would be a better choice
He knows his positioning wasn't good
First of all, it's not like the rest of the team have shown themselves to be mentality monsters or anything so far.
Secondly, this sort of needless comment is what translates to needless boos during preseason games by fans who're likely following these discussions. Let's just enjoy our progress without dragging the poor guy into every comment.
There wasn't much wrong with it. His role three seconds before the shot was to be a passing option for Dalot, which he was. He can't account for possible sloppiness from other players in his positioning in possession.
Yes, only as long as Henderson is holding the string tied to the post when the tags made will it be legal.
Dalot laid it on an absolute plate for a first-time chip which was also perfectly executed. Can't really blame Onana for that, shit happens.
If he's deep then he's not helping increase the pace of our defensive transition. He would be the third man from too far away from play and if the ball is played to him would give the initiative to the opponent, who would press and lead to the defensive line dropping deeper or us punting the ball.
His role is to support the defence as a third man to move the ball into midfield or out wide quickly in order to improve our territorial advantage and make passing and counter pressing easier.
Just accept that full backs playing for Manchester United should be able to play 10 metre passes, or play the ball to the third man successfully. It's not an Onana problem.
It's a relief to know I'm on the opposite side to @DJ Jeff on this.
All top keepers take that position, only difference is City etc's aren't laying up the opposition for an easy lob. He might have to adjust his game to stay deeper. And yes DDG would've saved it, the bloke was scared to leave his six yard box which is one of the main reasons he's been replaced. Modern gk is more proactive with the play in quality teams that can keep possession, we still make these kinds of mistakes though.
In regards to people saying this will happen all the time if he doesn't adjust his play. I mean, it was a really great strike by the Lens player, to be fair. Even ignoring Dalot fecking up and catching everyone on the back foot, this absolutely won't happen all the time, because most attempts like this go sailing way over the bar, and nowhere near the target.
It was a really clean strike.
It was a really clean strike.
If United is going to be giving away balls like that on a regular basis then yes, by all means you need a keeper who will not leave the goal to save his life.
I don’t think you really believe that? The reason Neuer hasn’t conceded a goal from the halfway line again isn’t because he has played more cautiously. It’s just incredibly rare that people score those goals. Here’s one example of a chance he was more culpable for that didn’t lead to a goal.
https://youtube.com/shorts/ZxxRNsJfyig?feature=share
How should he take responsibility? Play like De Gea?
A lobbed goal is 1 goal as is a deflected shot or own goal.
Problem will arise when he's lobbed every weekend, same as if Martinez scores an own goal every weekend till January.
Till then, football is a game of goals and mistakes but still halfway lobbs, own goals are not that frequent.
We will concede goals in the coming season and everyone in the club will be responsible in one way or another. Till it becomes a weekend occurance then they is nothing to worry about.
Just to be absolutely clear, Onana was where he was because the team was in the middle of what should have been a fairly comfortable phase of the build-up, in more contested phases/circumstances of play he won't be where he was here. Dalot's mistake was colossal and completely unacceptable for a professional RB, that's all there is to it.
Complete non issue of a goal. It's incredibly unfortunate it has happened a few games into his United career, though. We're all sat around talking about his aggressive positioning and positive play and how he'll be a media target and then the most ridiculous lob goes flying in 
But...it's a friendly. If we're going to have one go in then I'll take it now. If teams want to attempt low percentage lobs all game, I think that's good for us in general. You need your keeper taking proactive positions if we're going to play like that as a team so it's not a problem. Really sloppy from Dalot as well.
But...it's a friendly. If we're going to have one go in then I'll take it now. If teams want to attempt low percentage lobs all game, I think that's good for us in general. You need your keeper taking proactive positions if we're going to play like that as a team so it's not a problem. Really sloppy from Dalot as well.
Nearly all of the goals conceded this season were from our own mistakes in possession. Need to cut that out. In this case it was 100% Dalots loose pass.
That kind of attempt that got the goal today will happen a lot to goalkeepers who go up and play as sweepers, for obvious reasons. He just needs to deal with them and our defense just needs to make sure they don't lose the ball too much around the middle circle area. Unless we start to concede like that often, I don't think it is a concern for him or the team at the moment.