Bestie07
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He was at fault for at least 3 dangerous situations last night. Not a good start to his time here, need to support him through this rough patch as I see that the media are already sharpening the pitchforks.
Who's ignoring the defending? I most certainly am not, having mentioned that both goals in question are a culmination of poor defending and goalkeeping errors.I've acknowledged he could have done better and made mistakes. I just don't buy into the media over drive, they want an easy target because they just love it that DDG is still out of a job and the new guy can't catch a break. They juat can't be arsed actually looking at what has happened, they just look at the finish for the goal and say keeper should have got that, but ignore everything that led to that point.
Ignore Varane ducking and letting a long ball over his head, ignore Dalot's pathetic defending. Ignore Amrabat and Lindeloaf getting dragged out of position on a simple throw in, ignore the midfielders not tracking runners (a constant theme this season). Ignore Amrabat playing a stupid pass and then keeping everyone onside, but focus on the bit Onana did wrong.
You claim he should have claimed the first ball? Where and at what point? Should a high ball bouncing 25 yards from goal not be met by a defenders head rather than expecting the keeper to claim it on the second or third bounce?
I'd also be interested if you could explain how you can both standup and spread yourself.
Evra and Vidić taught me not to judge players too quickly and too harsh at first. Players need time to settle in and get in the groove of everything. But no doubt a terrible, terrrible start from Onana. His shot stopping is terrible and his passing isn't really all that brilliant either. But honestly most of the team is ass at the moment.
Are people saying " i always knew Onana was shit" for real?
Even if you dont rate him as 50m gk , after good season with inter and ucl campaign, "he was always crap" really?
Perhaps, people may word and make it sound even more exaggerated than it should. However, there is an element of truth about some aspect of Onana game that is not always impressive even at Inter or Ajax.Are people saying " i always knew Onana was shit" for real?
Even if you dont rate him as 50m gk , after good season with inter and ucl campaign, "he was always crap" really?
Who's ignoring the defending? I most certainly am not, having mentioned that both goals in question are a culmination of poor defending and goalkeeping errors.
For an idea of standing up and spreading yourselves, have you heard of the fundamental aspect of goalkeeping, make yourself big?
It's basic GK skills, in a one on one situation a GK needs to be flexible, make themselve big by spreading their body whilst standing, just book yourself in to any online GK coaching badges and you'll hear it, I have and did.
He fell to ground, again, for the second time already this season.I understand the concept quite well, I don't need any online courses to do that. There's a lot more nuance to it at that level than just spreading yourself and making yourself big. The main thing he did wrong on the third goal was he held his ground a bit too deep in that situation for my liking, he didn't narrow the angle enough and he went to ground too early.
I understand the concept quite well, I don't need any online courses to do that. There's a lot more nuance to it at that level than just spreading yourself and making yourself big. The main thing he did wrong on the third goal was he held his ground a bit too deep in that situation for my liking, he didn't narrow the angle enough and he went to ground too early.
Yeah, he seemed to set himself far too early. There as an opportunity to close the gap in the final few seconds before the shot was taken but he didn't take it. Forest's goal was an even better (worse?) example.
As someone else who has played in goals like yourself I've kind of been in denial about his basic technical errors but if I take my head out of the sand, it's kind of hard not to notice them every time he plays.
EDIT: Unless you're talking about the first goal? Which was obviously not his fault. I'm thinking about the third one.
Aye the third one, some keepers are just bad at 1v1s. He genuinely seems to struggle with them.
I see people blaming him for the first but that ball bounces 25 yards out, that should never happen, that ball shouldn't be allowed to bounce once never mind make it into the box.
Makes him a really disappointing signing. DDG's ability at 1v1s has fallen off a cliff in recent years. So typical that we would manage to spend that much money on a keeper who is even worse than him at them.
I know that loads of people are really cynical about stats but I think that signing a goalkeeper is one are where you can make a decision based almost entirely on stats. There are a bunch of keepers out there who are statistically better than DDG at shot stopping, one v ones and claiming crosses. And almost every keeper out there is better than him with the ball at his feet. With 50 million to spend, how did we cock up what should have been such an easy upgrade?!
Makes him a really disappointing signing. DDG's ability at 1v1s has fallen off a cliff in recent years. So typical that we would manage to spend that much money on a keeper who is even worse than him at them.
I know that loads of people are really cynical about stats but I think that signing a goalkeeper is one are where you can make a decision based almost entirely on stats. There are a bunch of keepers out there who are statistically better than DDG at shot stopping, one v ones and claiming crosses. And almost every keeper out there is better than him with the ball at his feet. With 50 million to spend, how did we cock up what should have been such an easy upgrade?!
Had it? to me that was still the one thing he was actually good at.
Honestly feels like we've already conceded more 1 vs. 1 this season then the whole of last season already.
I suggest you go back and watch how skinny he was, and how he was bullied on most corners in his first games. I also never said he was world class at corners after that, or looked like Andre the Giant. But there were clearly improvements in those areas. He was the best keeper in the world for at least 2 seasons.Did it feck. He didn't gain much muscle and was still atrocious on corners and crosses his whole time here.
Now we need to change the entire defence to complement his supposed skillset
Surely someone on that training pitch shifts the entire focus to defence, being compact, defending as a unit just like Inter Milan did last season. If we're going to persist with this clown, let's at least make it difficult for teams to get shots near him.
Had it? to me that was still the one thing he was actually good at.
Honestly feels like we've already conceded more 1 vs. 1 this season then the whole of last season already.
He was at fault for at least 3 dangerous situations last night. Not a good start to his time here, need to support him through this rough patch as I see that the media are already sharpening the pitchforks.