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Interesting that Herrera named Garner and Greenwood as stars of the future but not Gomes
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Height reported online of a youth player which is years old? You may as well make up a random height yourself and claim it as fact.Don't get what so strange about my comment. I'm going by his height reported online. Of course he deserves a chance but right now his heigh is a concern for me. Time will tell how good he is.
Again, according to who? Some site who has pulled it out of their ass because there simply doesn't exist a site that has in anyway an accurate reading of youth players height and weight. It is all completely made up and largely years out of date.Angel Gomes is 5'3 and billed as 115 lbs
He's slightly under 5'3Strange comment.
He isn't 5'3. Looks more 5'6 in recent photos.
And If Gomes was playing Vs Liverpool, then he wouldn't challenge Van Dijk in the air or have his back to goal with VVD pressing him from behind, Gomes is a maestro, the type of player who finds space and plays tidy little passes and through balls. Not sure if he's the real deal yet but deserves a chance.
Supposing we use the following photo as a comparative measurement, and knowing that Rooney is 5'9, it looks like Gomes in this photo (at that time) was around 5'6. Transfermarkt is the only place that has him at 1.68, which would line up with the photo below. Granted, Rooney is slightly slouching, but even then it's clear he's not under 5'4.Again, according to who? Some site who has pulled it out of their ass because there simply doesn't exist a site that has in anyway an accurate reading of youth players height and weight. It is all completely made up and largely years out of date.
Rendering these entire discussions completely pointless.
Exactly, so the entire google says 5'3 discussion is pointless because he clearly isn't. Yet it is mentioned every page in here as if ESPN are going around measuring youth footballers.Supposing we use the following photo as a comparative measurement, and knowing that Rooney is 5'9, it looks like Gomes in this photo (at that time) was around 5'6. Transfermarkt is the only place that has him at 1.68, which would line up with the photo below. Granted, Rooney is slightly slouching, but even then it's clear he's not under 5'4.
This ones from Sunday. Mata is meant to be 5'7. Discounting Gomes' big hair, I'd put him at 5'5-5'6.
If hes not 5'3 then that's good but if he was or if he was 4 '11 he wouldn't be playing premier league footballOh my days. Why are you so obsessed about height. We’ve done height...Fellaini. Matic. Let’s move on. If the boy can play (and he can) he should get minutes whether he’s 4”11 or 6”10
You're entitled to your very helpful and relevant opinion.If hes not 5'3 then that's good but if he was or if he was 4 '11 he wouldn't be playing premier league football
Completely agree with this. He's a player that I can't remember us having. I'd say having him as part of the first team with some starts and some cameos would be great. A loan to Spain would probably be great as well, but if. Ole is serious about playing youngsters, gomes and greenwood deserve their chance.I don't want him on loan as I feel we could do with a player like him in the first team - but I kind of also want to see him on loan on Spain.
Why get so defensive?You're entitled to your very helpful and relevant opinion.
It’s such an old school British football mentality. Ridiculous and so out of touch. Technically and intelligence wise he’s a first team squad player bare minimum so why are we treating him like a reject at times?I've never understood this preoccupation with height in football, either generally or in terms of "well, you need the extra physicality to play in the PL". It's not the fecking NBA.
The likes of Verratti and Insigne are absolute midgets. Who would be whinging about this is we signed them?
Fraser, Kante, Lanzini, Pedro, Torreira, Bernard: All absolute midgets. All doing just fine in the PL.
Maradona: 5'5". Messi: 5'6". Pele: 5'8". All pretty decent at kicking a ball around a pitch by all accounts.
Because his *checks notes* 20 minutes at first team level have substantially proven he's not physically ready.It’s such an old school British football mentality. Ridiculous and so out of touch. Technically and intelligence wise he’s a first team squad player bare minimum so why are we treating him like a reject at times?
He should have had more minutes considering the crap with have and when he made his debut. And the fact he has looked good any times hes been involved.We are treating him like an 18 year old youth player not a reject. He probably should get more minutes and he very likely will next season, if he stays, but 18 year olds getting regular minutes at a club like United is absolutely not the norm.
Because Pep is a fraud when it comes to youth and Foden's *checks notes* 1000 minutes at first team level prove he has no faith in him.Phil Foden is tiny but that doesn’t seem to have stopped Pep giving him minutes here and there...
When you have a kid who is that technically gifted and intelligent for his age - he should have been given a lot more first team minutes than he has. United have always been slow in recent years to blood the more technically gifts talents and by the time they’ve stagnated it’s too late as they miss that window of opportunity to speed up their development and eradicate bad habits from playing at a level too easy for them. In contrast whenever we have a physically advanced talent - we have no hesitation blooding then and over hyping them.We are treating him like an 18 year old youth player not a reject. He probably should get more minutes and he very likely will next season, if he stays, but 18 year olds getting regular minutes at a club like United is absolutely not the norm.
Yeah he looked good in the 20 minutes he played, but that doesn't he would able to perform consistently. There's a variety of reasons why there are so few teenagers playing regular football and letting him develop physically (not talking about just height) and mentally is absolutely a sensible reason.He should have had more minutes considering the crap with have and when he made his debut. And the fact he has looked good any times hes been involved.
Can’t help but feel he is being mismanaged due to his height
Like I said. He should have had more minutes. I didn't say he should be a regular. His number of minutes since his debut is concerning especially when you look at who has been getting minutes in-front of himYeah he looked good in the 20 minutes he played, but that doesn't he would able to perform consistently. There's a variety of reasons why there are so few teenagers playing regular football and letting him develop physically (not talking about just height) and mentally is absolutely a sensible reason.
Yep. Absolutely no excuse for him to not be given a start considering his performances and technical ability. How can we assess whether the game is too fast for him at that level without giving him a chance to test that out? How can he be convinced he lacks physically without giving him a chance to test that out? The fact that Chong has gotten more minutes than Gomes despite Gomes outperforming him this entire season, being the more technical player, and being the more mature player mentally says a lot.Like I said. He should have had more minutes. I didn't say he should be a regular. His number of minutes since his debut is concerning especially when you look at who has been getting minutes in-front of him
We can't, but surely people who observe him playing against physically ready premier league player in training every day can? I think he should play more as well, he certainly looked better than Chong, but for all we know, and we know pretty much feck all, he's not being hard done at all.Yep. Absolutely no excuse for him to not be given a start considering his performances and technical ability. How can we assess whether the game is too fast for him at that level without giving him a chance to test that out? How can he be convinced he lacks physically without giving him a chance to test that out?
Surely not, he's been at the club since he was six. I'm fairly sure he'll get his chance, if he takes it, he'll probably have a long career for us.What's his contract situation like? If he has a year or two, then I'm not worried. If he is a free agent this summer, then there's a good chance he might leave.
I don't see why he would struggle against those players, but not Chong. Chong is skinny so he'll get bullied just as much as Gomes would. Gomes has better technical ability, and his decision making is better. Gomes plays in a way where his physical ability isn't some factor and Chong does. Knowing all this, I'm not going to believe Chong has done better against our players in training and all the minutes Gomes' gotten at United (all 30 minutes) have shown his physical stature was left wanting.We can't, but surely people who observe him playing against physically ready premier league player in training every day can? I think he should play more as well, he certainly looked better than Chong, but for all we know, and we know pretty much feck all, he's not being hard done at all.
I checked. He has another year left. I'm sure he'll sign an extension before that if we include him in our plans. He could play regularly in Europa and the domestic cups.Surely not, he's been at the club since he was six. I'm fairly sure he'll get his chance, if he takes it, he'll probably have a long career for us.
Maybe Herrera knows more regarding his future i.e. he wont be here for too longInteresting that Herrera named Garner and Greenwood as stars of the future but not Gomes
Come on, the debate about his height has been done to death.Be pretty annoyed if he leaves this summer.He's one of a tiny few I want staying at the club next season.
I think managers tend to fall into the trap of "giving a player his debut" and start to feel a little biased towards him. Gomes got his debut under Mourinho if I'm not mistaken while Chong got his under Ole, and has since player many more minutes.Yep. Absolutely no excuse for him to not be given a start considering his performances and technical ability. How can we assess whether the game is too fast for him at that level without giving him a chance to test that out? How can he be convinced he lacks physically without giving him a chance to test that out? The fact that Chong has gotten more minutes than Gomes despite Gomes outperforming him this entire season, being the more technical player, and being the more mature player mentally says a lot.