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Hazard's best season came under Mourinho. Willian didn't look too bad either. Fabregas had one of his best seasons lately under Mourinho.
No. This is blatantly false. All comparisons are relative - Martial wasn’t good today, but he wasn’t deserving of singling out from Mouriho, or subbing. On a day of pathetic performances, he was probably among the ‘best’ of a very bad bunch.
TBH never seen him track back on consistent basis, press up field or help the midfield/defence. Even under LvG. Everybody bar Messi and Cristiano are required to do some work. It's how it is in modern football. Martial shouldn't be exempted from that.
Who else was he going to bring off? We needed changes.
How about Lukaku? Matic? Fellaini? The first two were utterly dreadful today. Both Pogba and Martial were less deserving of substitution than they were today.
Fellaini? Lukaku?
History tells us Fellaini and Lukaku are far more likely to get us an important goal than Martial is.
Only because of the way we play. Martial isn’t exactly going to be powering headers in off hoofball tactics. Silly to judge him on that.
Martial looked more dangerous than both in the game. I don't think he played well, I don't think any of them did. But he did make some things happen.
Fellaini was the most dangerous out of those 3 by a mile actually. How Fabianski kept that out I'll never know.
I saw fine in his last 3 games - his off the work movement has been great. Today it wasnt that good but neither was I paying attetntion to it because there was a severe imbalance between playing a defensive defence, a defensive midfield and no attacking midfield with 2 strikers upfront. Martial playing more defensive was not what was needed; neither was he making runs behind the defence when there was no AM to play the through balls with fellaini and matic at CM.
Lukaku has scored 4 goals this season. Fellaini is more likely to score a goal from all the crosses in the box that were likely to occur in the last 20-30 mins.
Martial last goal for United was in his last 2 starts?
That's due to our main attackers being Fellaini and Lukaku due to again - Jose's tactics.
That doesn't change the fact he hasn't scored in the league since January...
No argument there, but still his creative input isn't great regardless of those tactics.
Wonder why, anyway my point really was that he was offering something so I don't think it was a good sub.
Yeah, but again it was more likely Lukaku or Fellaini to contribute more in front of the goal. Our tactics seemed to go through the right channel more and Ashley Young anyway.
They may run around like headless chickens but they haven't been any more effective than Martial anyway. Most of the time they're running round after balls they've given away.
Agreed.
Majority of the time he was played on the left anyway.
Yeah, and I'm sure your own negative bias as something to do with that perception. 'Seems like he's privileged', the guy has come back from third string twice so far in his career at United after being the leading scorer his first season. The whole point of Sanchez busting a gut is overplayed and just lazy, because he's busting a gut going after all the balls he easily loses in the first place, some of them right in the middle of the pitch. Martial is a much better player than what Sanchez has shown. The fact that Martial has come back to being a starter twice in different seasons under Mourinho when we clearly see how petty Mourinho is with him shows he's anything but entitled or privileged.
I hate it when fans see that and claim he's playing well. Rashford receives the same praise for failing to create a chance.
Thats because his fanboys still thinks his career was sabotaged by arrival of Sanchez. The real fact is in the years he's been there , he hasn't improved an iota. Rashford isn't far behind either. Both needs to improve massively to claim starting spots.
Neither needs to improve much if Sanchez is their competition. As long as Mourinho is in charge, you could get Messi in this team and he will be useless.
Yes because Martial has always been a crosser
So Messi would chose the wrong option every single time in the opposition box? Grow up ffs.
It's true- Messi's would never have played as a false 9 under him - only ever given a role to cut in and shoot or on the opposite side to keep width and cross to a target man. Never would have Suarez, neymar and Messi played together - never would Villa, Messi, Pedro play together.
He was 4 yards from lukaku. All he needed to do was simple pass which he also fecks up. He did it both from the right and left side of the D box. We are not talking about giving a cross from the byline. He was literally few yards away. Stop defending him for his shortcomings.Yes because Martial has always been a crosser
Rashford & Martial need to play upfront as forwards - forget about crossing; play balls on the floor - not crossing to a lump like Lukaku.
Let Sanchez play behind them as a false 9. Let them all rotate and bring Lukaku on when we need an extra man upfront.
Play them as forwards- if Martial fails as a forward in a team that enables forwards to play together then sell him. I see no use in giving him that much negativity when he is made to play in positions and do things that get the best out of no one.
Him playing on the left wing and Lukaku playing in the centre like Drogba's cousin is not good for him nor martial, nor the CM or AM that plays there. There is a lack of cohesion because Jose has never cared about that - for that reason having a go at individual players is wrong under a manager who has them all playing as individuals.
Next manager & we can have a go at everybody.
