Been like this for years mate... Only due to get worse until we get back to some semblance of United of old.
And even then it will subside but not go away
Anyone in this thread kicking off instead of the ETH thread is pure agenda
Are Bruno and Rashford a problem?
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And even then it will subside but not go away
He has no tactical discipline or positional sense, just tries to be everywhere all at once, compare him to KdB or Odegaard and it’s day and night. It’s no wonder he scored goals including the occasional worldly, he tries to do everything so is bound to score.
Rashford is just pointless in almost every game.
Bruno at least shows a bit of quality at times, he's a long-term problem which is a bit different from Rashford.
Bruno at least shows a bit of quality at times, he's a long-term problem which is a bit different from Rashford.
No, he’s the single player on the pitch putting in an acceptable performance with 90% pass completion, a goal a close to a beauty.
What do you want him to do to not be “shite”?
How the feck can you see the chances given away today and blame it on such absolute bollocks?
You surely don’t think switching Odegaard for Bruno today suddenly completely changes the other 10 dog shit performances?
Our tactical plan is shear chaos so of course that is the way he plays. Guarantee those two players would also look shit playing in our current set up
Odegaard would look fecking all over the shop in this side today, but then so would prime David Silva.
Exactly. I’m thinking Chelsea but without the potential.
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Rashford is the one and only problem in chief. Move death consistently occurs every time the ball gets to him
Yep.
I don't understand the Bruno hate. There are far worse players at United than Bruno.
Rashford is killing our attacks. Get rid
Bruno is not a problem (the system is not set up correctly and whatever instructions he's getting, which he's obviously following or he wouldn't be in the team, are crap). Rashford is out of form and should be on the bench....
I don’t like Bruno at all but even I have to admit that we need to separate them. Grouping Bruno with Rashford is extremely disrespectful to Bruno. I still agree with the overall thread but Rashford is much much worse.
Yeah, Bruno can always be counted on to show up even if he puts in a stinker there is going to be effort. Rashford looks like he would rather be in his bed taking a nap. And in spite of his improved return last season (which was largely due to a longer than normal hot streak) he remains a patchy goal scorer. The reason is he hasn't developed his game one bit since making his debut, he's the exact same player. Can't hold the ball up well, can't beat his man, can't play up top on his own how is this guy the person we have built our attack around?
Yeah, Bruno is a problem.
He's a problem because other players rely on him too much to make things happen, and it's detrimentral to our play. Even if he's not in a favourable position they'll try to give him the ball when he'll have no choice but to knock it forward and hope. The last minutes of the Bournemouth game really highlighted this when everyone went forward with Bruno the deepest, and they just passed around the box then all the way back to Bruno several times, as if he could do anything from that position. The match ended just like that.
The panacea is obviously to take him out of the team not.
He's a problem because other players rely on him too much to make things happen, and it's detrimentral to our play. Even if he's not in a favourable position they'll try to give him the ball when he'll have no choice but to knock it forward and hope. The last minutes of the Bournemouth game really highlighted this when everyone went forward with Bruno the deepest, and they just passed around the box then all the way back to Bruno several times, as if he could do anything from that position. The match ended just like that.
The panacea is obviously to take him out of the team not.
It's a good point, and it doesn't even have to be a long term solution. But you absolutely have to bench Bruno sometimes to get him back to his best and not being exhausted by the way he tries to do everything, and to get the other players get used to doing something else than "just hope Bruno does something"
Yes currently Rashford is off it and Bruno can be frustrating
But without these two, the last 4/5 years would have been absolutely joyless.
At least they have given us something to cheer about with their goals and attacking play..
Unless they feck up, do a Greenwood, disgrace the club or what not they'd be looked back fondly by a lot of United fans in years to come.
What we do going forward is the big question. That will be left in the hands (good hands hopefully) of the new manager and new regime....
But without these two, the last 4/5 years would have been absolutely joyless.
At least they have given us something to cheer about with their goals and attacking play..
Unless they feck up, do a Greenwood, disgrace the club or what not they'd be looked back fondly by a lot of United fans in years to come.
What we do going forward is the big question. That will be left in the hands (good hands hopefully) of the new manager and new regime....
They are our two best players. All players have faults, it is on the manager to use them correctly. If ETH had Rooney at 18, he'd destroy him too.
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A couple of good performances and the Bruno worshippers are all out.
Bruno is a problem because of his style of play. He thrives in chaos and until we reduce the chaotic nature of our football, we’ll never be a top side.
Bruno is a problem because of his style of play. He thrives in chaos and until we reduce the chaotic nature of our football, we’ll never be a top side.
You mean that Bruno does not play the way ETH orders him to play, and still ETH plays him in every game and has him as his captain? Really?
Is there any need for this antagonistic language?
Bruno is a problem too. He isn’t the sort of problem Rashford is - who is just an average / below average footballer. But Bruno is more of a long term issue that needs to be resolved in that you can’t actually play the way top team does with a 10 who has as many weaknesses as he does. He’s good for this Manchester United but not the one that we want to be. I’d phase him out over the next two years (he’ll go from starter to rotation to eventually 2nd choice / out depending on his performances and outlook) but the replacement needs to be just right as it’s such a key position.
Nobody have been playing well with this manager. I'm sure we will be replacing him after the season over.
I am quite ok if we sell Rashford for a good fee if there is available offer. If not, keeping him one more season doesn't hurt and there is a good chance he will improve with a new manager. As for Bruno, no new manager will make him a priority to be replaced as he is the only few players who are still performing for the team. There are a number of players that should be leaving ahead of Bruno.
I am quite ok if we sell Rashford for a good fee if there is available offer. If not, keeping him one more season doesn't hurt and there is a good chance he will improve with a new manager. As for Bruno, no new manager will make him a priority to be replaced as he is the only few players who are still performing for the team. There are a number of players that should be leaving ahead of Bruno.
The inability of our fans to be able to distinguish one problem with another drives me mad at times. Rashford is a problem because he's incredibly lazy off the ball and his ability an output on it doesn't come close to making up for that. Bruno's issue has always been that he lacks some of the necessary skills that all of the top players at his position for the best teams have. He can still produce quality stats within any team and absolutely run his socks off but he'll always hamper any side against the very best competition because too much compensation has to be made to cover his weaknesses. They are both "problems" in the sense that both most likely will need to be gone before we field a team that's competing for titles, but for completely different reasons.
Yeah completely agree with that,trouble is seems that club don't see an issue with Rashford so certain he won't be sold. Leeches probably are having a big say because see him as a marketing machine
I think Bruno will push for a move this summer. He's looked really unhappy all season (it gets overlooked because of Rashford's demeanour) and he'll have seen what happened with Mata and Pogba, ie. two highly talented footballers who wasted their career with us.
Whatever you think of him, he is a football obsessive, works his bollocks off and has a burning desire to win. I do believe he loves the club and the fans but in his heart he will know that he isn't going to win anything of note with us. He's smart enough to know as well that give it a season or two and he might not even be in the first eleven.
It will be best for both parties if he moves on, and I don't think anyone will think less of him for it.
Rashford on the other hand I think the club may need to ease out for his own good and ours. He's clearly not in a good place mentally and seems to have fallen out of love with the game so possibly lacks that desire to kick on elsewhere.
I don't think either of them magically become what this team needs to reach the top, unless they're willing to be bit part players.
Whatever you think of him, he is a football obsessive, works his bollocks off and has a burning desire to win. I do believe he loves the club and the fans but in his heart he will know that he isn't going to win anything of note with us. He's smart enough to know as well that give it a season or two and he might not even be in the first eleven.
It will be best for both parties if he moves on, and I don't think anyone will think less of him for it.
Rashford on the other hand I think the club may need to ease out for his own good and ours. He's clearly not in a good place mentally and seems to have fallen out of love with the game so possibly lacks that desire to kick on elsewhere.
I don't think either of them magically become what this team needs to reach the top, unless they're willing to be bit part players.
MOTM awards simply means hes the best player on the pitch that game. Besides Garnacho and Mainoo a few games its all Bruno if its a United player.
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Everyone does dumb shit this season. The reason we have conceded the most short in the league in 2024 isnt because our no 10 takes big risks, its because the whole system is failing and there are a lot of other players not pulling their weight
If he pushes for a move that would be amazing and a gift from the heavens. Much more likely he follows the de gea route and steadily gets worse and worse until even the blind can see he isn't good enough for what we want to achieve. Of course just like we still get de gea defenders even though the guy can't even find a club, the Bruno stans will be here for a long time.
If we want to improve the team I'm not sure we start with Bruno, unless there is a like for like replacement with the potential of being an upgrade on him.
Rashford I'm less optimistic about, but still, he's not the first name I'd start with clearing out.
Rashford I'm less optimistic about, but still, he's not the first name I'd start with clearing out.
Out of the attacking players in the 11, who would you replace first?
I don't think he can be fairly compared to De Gea.
De Gea was more in the Rashford mould, a talented player who seemed to have fallen out of love with the game but was 'trapped' by his ridiculous wages.
Bruno is a football obsessive, I honestly think he'd rather leave than put up with failure forever. His contract expires in two years, I wouldn't be surprised to see him leave if not this summer then the one after and he will do well at whatever club he picks next - provided it's suited to his style of football (ie, high risk, high energy)
Antony and Martial need to be out the door yesterday, not with squad players, but with legit XI players who will lock Bruno and Rashford out of the team if they continue to mess around. Eriksen is mint but his legs have gone, so him as well.
You managed to avoid answering the question, a valid answer is none if that is your feeling.
Eh?
If I was restricted to removing attacking players out of our starting 11, I'd start with Rashford. Bruno would be the last person I'd replace.
But that's a silly premise. I'd love to keep Rashford and Bruno in the squad. When I think of deadwood their names don't come up. I don't want them thinking they can waltz into a starting lineup without being challenged by quality players in training every day.
Time will tell. I think we stupidly give him a new deal if he ever has a month or two of good form just like the unnecessary wage increase we gave him last time and we end up in a situation like de gea or Maguire where no club is willing to pay the fee and the wages and so we are stuck with him.
I asked the question because I was curious, thanks for answering without being condescending...
I wasn't being condescending, if it came across that way my bad
I get what you're asking, I'm just saying if we improve the first XI and leave the squad untouched then we're putting a ceiling on our improvement
Agree, I don't think we should do that.
We already know we need to replace Sancho, Antony, Martial, Pellistri etc. Personally I would replace them with starting 11 players or at least 2 of them with starting 11 players.
Rashford has been in the team for 8 years now. I keep hearing how he hasn't developed as a footballer since he was a teenager, is way too technically limited, strolls around the pitch, can't be arsed to work, gets put on a pedestal just because he's a local lad, and we'll never get anywhere by building the attack around him, and he'd never get into the top teams in Europe.
Only problem is, for someone so apparently easily replaceable, we've spent the best part of a decade and spunked a massive amount of money trying to find even a single attacking player that's managed to keep him out of the team for any length of time.
Can literally list them all: Mkhitaryan for 30 million, turned up for a Europa League campaign and nothing else. Lukaku, signed for monster money and contributed two meh seasons while being a miserable whingebag. Alexis on a massive contract, probably the worst signing in our history. James, harsh to even count him but clearly a Championship player. Sancho for 70-odd million, turned out to be a complete joker. Antony for 90 million, utter garbage. The last two are particularly funny because anyone who's been on this forum in 2021 and 22 will remember how many posters were convinced they'd both immediately chuck kick-and-rush merchant Rashford out of the squad - he's put in two shocking seasons in the last three and still easily managed to contribute more than both of them combined
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Then the few that weren't complete garbage had zero longevity: Martial was great for a season under Ole, and then his body decided he can't play football anymore at the age of 25. Cavani was very good for a season and completely packed it in the next. Ronaldo, again, good for a season and then stank up the joint before trying his best to undermine the entire club on the way out. Zlatan was good and then got hurt before he could even complete a season. Greenwood is a waster. Hojlund and Mount hopefully won't end up on this list but could go either way at this point, and Garnacho is a rare breath of fresh air from all the names listed so far, but again, not even 20 yet - Martial at the same age was talked about as a Ballon D'Or candidate.
I don't even have a problem with selling either Fernandes or Rashford this summer - Bruno is nearly 30 and Rashford is nearly 27, they've been as crap as anyone else in this train wreck of a season, they'll be past their best anyway by the time we're a serious team again, and they're two of the very few players in this squad that could be sold to raise significant cash. I just find this constant refrain that these two are somehow among our biggest issues, while they're surrounded by these names listed above, a bit... tiresome.
The sad fact is that we've never even come close at any point in the last decade to hitting the level (as a collective) where there's a legit discussion to be had about whether it's time to move on from some of our best players before making the leap to a top team. We've just wasted the few good ones by continually surrounding them with dross like Antony and expecting the team to push on.
Only problem is, for someone so apparently easily replaceable, we've spent the best part of a decade and spunked a massive amount of money trying to find even a single attacking player that's managed to keep him out of the team for any length of time.
Can literally list them all: Mkhitaryan for 30 million, turned up for a Europa League campaign and nothing else. Lukaku, signed for monster money and contributed two meh seasons while being a miserable whingebag. Alexis on a massive contract, probably the worst signing in our history. James, harsh to even count him but clearly a Championship player. Sancho for 70-odd million, turned out to be a complete joker. Antony for 90 million, utter garbage. The last two are particularly funny because anyone who's been on this forum in 2021 and 22 will remember how many posters were convinced they'd both immediately chuck kick-and-rush merchant Rashford out of the squad - he's put in two shocking seasons in the last three and still easily managed to contribute more than both of them combined
.Then the few that weren't complete garbage had zero longevity: Martial was great for a season under Ole, and then his body decided he can't play football anymore at the age of 25. Cavani was very good for a season and completely packed it in the next. Ronaldo, again, good for a season and then stank up the joint before trying his best to undermine the entire club on the way out. Zlatan was good and then got hurt before he could even complete a season. Greenwood is a waster. Hojlund and Mount hopefully won't end up on this list but could go either way at this point, and Garnacho is a rare breath of fresh air from all the names listed so far, but again, not even 20 yet - Martial at the same age was talked about as a Ballon D'Or candidate.
I don't even have a problem with selling either Fernandes or Rashford this summer - Bruno is nearly 30 and Rashford is nearly 27, they've been as crap as anyone else in this train wreck of a season, they'll be past their best anyway by the time we're a serious team again, and they're two of the very few players in this squad that could be sold to raise significant cash. I just find this constant refrain that these two are somehow among our biggest issues, while they're surrounded by these names listed above, a bit... tiresome.
The sad fact is that we've never even come close at any point in the last decade to hitting the level (as a collective) where there's a legit discussion to be had about whether it's time to move on from some of our best players before making the leap to a top team. We've just wasted the few good ones by continually surrounding them with dross like Antony and expecting the team to push on.