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Are there any sections of the Barca support that want an all Catalan team a bit like Bilbao?
This year they said that if the Europa League was won, the same amount would be entered as reaching QF.Would that not be kind of disastrous? I know QF are kind of the minimum aim, how much room to maneuver do you have from that?
That would be more appropiate of R.C.D. Espanyol. Since the beginning Espanyol has been the team with more Catalonian influence.Are there any sections of the Barca support that want an all Catalan team a bit like Bilbao?
Yes, that doesn't contradict itself at allSince the beginning Espanyol has been the team with more Catalonian influence.
was the first one in the city of Barcelona to be formed exclusively by Spaniards.
I feel honored that you tagged me in your first ever post (and hopefully didn’t register a new account just for doing that). However, I have to admit that I didn’t read more than the first paragraph. Sorry.@Acrobat7
While banter is normal and everything this entails I would like to remind you that the recent loopsidedness whenever Barça and Bayern have played each other has occured during the worst period of Barça in the past 20 years. Moreover in one of the worst institutional crises of the club.
In 2009 Bayern was eliminated in the CL by Barça in a convincing fashion (could have been way worse than the 4-0 result) as well as in 2015 (3-0). In both of those years Barça ended up winning the CL. Bayern on the other hand eliminated us in 2013 and 2020 by spanking us. You lot ended up winning the CL both of those years as well.
Looks like a pattern for both teams.
Outside of the 2 group stage matches last year against possibly the worst Barça that I have ever witnessed in the CL group stage (the first group stage elimination since the group of death in 1998-99) the rivalry has been fairly equal in terms of who ended up advancing further.
As for the 8-2, while historically embarassing and completely unacceptable for a club the size of Barça, at this point in time the club was practically dead on and off the field. Even the meme that was Coutinho at Barça scored twice. Says it all. Not to mention the insane defeats against the likes of PSG (4-0 loss just to win the return leg 6-1 - 2017) and Juventus (3-0 - 2017), Roma (3-0 - 2018) and Liverpool (4-0 - 2019). PSG in 2021 too (0-4).
In other words the club has been a disaster in the CL for the past 5 years so there is really not much merit to take from such a defeat when even the likes of Roma embarrassed us.
As a side note, Bayern is historically the worst opponent for Barça in European football statistically speaking. By far. You guys have a similar thing with the likes of AC Milan and Inter (last few ties at least). It is what it is.
That and you guys being eliminated from the CL almost exclusively by Spanish teams in the past 15 years or so. Barça, Real Madrid, Atlético de Madrid and last year even Villarreal.
Anyway a new era with Xavi has emerged and the team, at least on paper, is no longer meme worthy so I expect a much better performance against Bayern this time around although I am not yet fully convinced by Xavi. For sure the motivation alone should be bigger from our part.
If it shows anything, it's that some people are too dumb to navigate the digital world without getting completely lostshows why you really should take Bundesliga performances with a truck load of salt.
Anyway a new era with Xavi has emerged and the team, at least on paper, is no longer meme worthy so I expect a much better performance against Bayern this time around although I am not yet fully convinced by Xavi. For sure the motivation alone should be bigger from our part.
Jesus... Trolling should go in green fontThat would be more appropiate of R.C.D. Espanyol. Since the beginning Espanyol has been the team with more Catalonian influence.
My post was more a general post to the Barça-obsessed Bayern fans here and anyone else.I feel honored that you tagged me in your first ever post (and hopefully didn’t register a new account just for doing that). However, I have to admit that I didn’t read more than the first paragraph. Sorry.
Nonsense. Barça was founded by a diverse group of people. Spaniards, Catalans, Swiss, English and Germans. Football reached Spain largely thanks to the English and other Europeans.That would be more appropiate of R.C.D. Espanyol. Since the beginning Espanyol has been the team with more Catalonian influence.
In 1900 all the football clubs in Barcelona were mainly comprised of foreigners, specially Englishmen, and did not accept any new players. For example, Barsa was established by a Swiss and many of the first players were foreigners.
Espanyol was established that year by students of the University of Barcelona and was the first one in the city of Barcelona to be formed exclusively by Spaniards.
All the members of the first team were Barcelonians except for two Basques and one Andalusian.
There are a lot of misconceptions around F.C. LEVERona, no doubt pushed by their PR.
No financial disaster. A club the size of Barça is never going anywhere. Worst case scenario, if shit truly hits the fan which I doubt, some billonaire or country is going to buy us and we will end up like 99% of all other big clubs out there. Xavi is unproven but hardly an amateur coach. Way too soon for such conclusions.Financial disaster, amateur coach, outdated football. Barcelona is becoming what Milan and Liverpool were some years ago (or what United are at the moment), a giant on crisis.
Everything I posted can be easily checked with a quick Google search about Espanyol creation.Yes, that doesn't contradict itself at all
I know mate, and many Catalonians see It the other way, but that's a political conversation and I won't go there. This a football forum after all.For your information: Many Catalans see Espanyol as the spanish state representative, although it got better over the years. Just the name "Espanyol" should tell you it has nothing to do with Catalonian influence in the first place. Further, Espanyol is one of some Spanish football clubs entitled to use "Real" in their name and the spanish crown on their badge. You should learn some history of the Catalans and both Barcelona football clubs, if you're really a Perico and not a troll, but I lean towards the latter seeing your username.
A right-back is still needed. Let's see how these last days of the market develop.Kounde is finally registered.
https://www.laliga.com/en-GB/transfers/laliga-santander
The season can start . The squad is complete. Frenkie will stay without Silva as replacement, huges wage or not. You can quote me on that. Kessie and Gavi are not enough for all competitions. I'm pretty sure Xavi sees it the same way.
Yes, but we need a top class RB and I dont see one available this window, especially this late. We spent enough on mediocre RBs like Semedo, Sergi R., Emerson, Dest. Alves was our last top RB and that is embarrassing considering he left us 2016. Sergi R. can play there, or Kounde/Araujo in a 3-4-3 until we find some worldclass RB or a promising talent. I just hope we stop wasting money on short term mediocre right backs.A right-back is still needed. Let's see how these last days of the market develop.
Not sure why you're blaming the agents if he himself has waived his deferred wages and taken a pay cut? In fact, don't agents take a % of players wages as a wage? FdJ should be the one being binned off by the agents if that's the case.Mirror reporting de jong taking a pay cut. If so, have to say a) he’s waived generational wealth and been made to look a fool, and should immediately fire his agents, b) Barca have absolutely clowned him. And c) United fans should be really, really, relieved we don’t have him in our squad. You don’t want someone that set on staying elsewhere, at your club.
All dependent on if this news is true, of course. But if so, all 3 points are accurate.
Not everybody needs a yacht or 5 houses to be happy. He will earn even without his deferred wages at least somewhere around 100m in his career. For some people, believe it or not, it's more than enough not to think about money further. His agent is pushing him hard for a transfer, because he wants his commission and is blocking all negotiations about a pay cut. If Dursun is finally negotiating, it's because Frenkie is forcing him to.Mirror reporting de jong taking a pay cut. If so, have to say a) he’s waived generational wealth and been made to look a fool, and should immediately fire his agents, b) Barca have absolutely clowned him. And c) United fans should be really, really, relieved we don’t have him in our squad. You don’t want someone that set on staying elsewhere, at your club.
All dependent on if this news is true, of course. But if so, all 3 points are accurate.
No one is saying they can't pay him. They simply don't want to pay an off market wage, which is even without the deferral way too high. For example higher than 2 times Fifa player of the year Lewandowski. If barca agrees to it, then other agents will come and ask for the same amount and we are back on €700m+ wage, which the club can't afford. It's simple mathematics.They're spending hundreds of millions, it's a lie they can't pay him, they clearly can.
This is beyond ridiculous. So it’s up to De Jong to agree to it but it’s not up to future players to accept Barcas terms because De Jong is earning what was agreed to?No one is saying they can't pay him. They simply don't want to pay an off market wage, which is even without the deferral way too high. For example higher than 2 times Fifa player of the year Lewandowski. If barca agrees to it, then other agents will come and ask for the same amount and we are back on €700m+ wage, which the club can't afford. It's simple mathematics.
You open the door for one player, you open it for them all.
That's what Bartomeu did and that ended in €1.3b debt and 4 levers. Laporta introduced a new wage system and so far every player agrees to it. Now it's Frenkies turn. Whether he agrees to it or not, it's up to him. But his life would be definetly calmer and more enjoyable at the club if he agrees to a healthy wage like any other player right now.
Excellent username.That would be more appropiate of R.C.D. Espanyol. Since the beginning Espanyol has been the team with more Catalonian influence.
In 1900 all the football clubs in Barcelona were mainly comprised of foreigners, specially Englishmen, and did not accept any new players. For example, Barsa was established by a Swiss and many of the first players were foreigners.
Espanyol was established that year by students of the University of Barcelona and was the first one in the city of Barcelona to be formed exclusively by Spaniards.
All the members of the first team were Barcelonians except for two Basques and one Andalusian.
There are a lot of misconceptions around F.C. LEVERona, no doubt pushed by their PR.
If Barca agrees to uphold the contract they wrote and presented to De Jong?No one is saying they can't pay him. They simply don't want to pay an off market wage, which is even without the deferral way too high. For example higher than 2 times Fifa player of the year Lewandowski. If barca agrees to it, then other agents will come and ask for the same amount and we are back on €700m+ wage, which the club can't afford. It's simple mathematics.
You open the door for one player, you open it for them all.
That's what Bartomeu did and that ended in €1.3b debt and 4 levers. Laporta introduced a new wage system and so far every player agrees to it. Now it's Frenkies turn. Whether he agrees to it or not, it's up to him. But his life would be definetly calmer and more enjoyable at the club if he agrees to a healthy wage like any other player right now.
Yes, it's up to the future players and they won't agree to a €5-6m salary, if Frenkie will earn €10m, because Frenkie is not a star player. Players agree right now to a lower salary, because Laporta is convincing them with the new wage system with Lewandowski as the highest earner with €9m net because of his rank (at least thats the idea of Laporta). Pedri, Gavi, Araujo, Dembele had all take it or leave offers and they took it. But if the club is introducing a new wage system on the one hand, but allows exceptions on the other, future players won't agree to it. Simple logic.So it’s up to De Jong to agree to it but it’s not up to future players to accept Barcas terms because De Jong is earning what was agreed to?
How does this make sense in any way? Was De Jong not earning his current salary when Lewa signed?
There's no way this would comply with La Liga FFP[BREAKING]
Kounde registration have been not with Barça money, but with Laporta and other managers personal money, with a whip-round
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Apparently it does, just read about it (sorry for the German source): https://www.transfermarkt.de/barca-...chaft-von-prasident-laporta-/view/news/410240There's no way this would comply with La Liga FFP
I see, thanks. Still feels like this completely undermines the point of any FFP systemApparently it does, just read about it (sorry for the German source): https://www.transfermarkt.de/barca-...chaft-von-prasident-laporta-/view/news/410240
Under article 92 individuals can give guarantees, but those are limited to 5% of revenue and can only work as a short-term measure. In other words, either Barca sell someone until deadline day, or Laporta and Ferran Oliver have to pay their private money to the club to fulfill the guarantee.
Why? Barca will have actual income to finance KoundeI see, thanks. Still feels like this completely undermines the point of any FFP system
If it's intended to provide protection against 'oil money' or similar, it leads to the exact opposite. If it's intended to protect clubs from themselves, spending over their means and ending in financial disaster, it also promotes creating debt with private sponsorsWhy? Barca will have actual income to finance Kounde
Those La Liga rules have nothing to do with FFP as an ethical principle. They're viability guarantees to ensure the clubs do not go under.I see, thanks. Still feels like this completely undermines the point of any FFP system
This is not creating debt. They can't give a credit, they have to just pay the money to the club if it doesn't generate enough income otherwise (so if they fail to sell players now).If it's intended to provide protection against 'oil money' or similar, it leads to the exact opposite. If it's intended to protect clubs from themselves, spending over their means and ending in financial disaster, it also promotes creating debt with private sponsors
It does yeah. It's a capital increase and the board can do it - leveraged against future earnings. Basically it's the 6th leverThere's no way this would comply with La Liga FFP