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Apparently they won't air an Attenborough episode about climate change because it will upset people.
 

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Only happened the once so not a big deal :rolleyes:

The BBC is officially dead, just saw they're not broadcasting David Attenborough's show in fear of the Tories. What's the point in a license fee if they will just a spokesman for the Government
 

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It's fecking disgusting.

The BBC used to be something to be proud of, the Tories have destroyed it the same way they've destroyed everything else.
 

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FlawlessThaw said:
Only happened the once so not a big deal :rolleyes:

The BBC is officially dead, just saw they're not broadcasting David Attenborough's show in fear of the Tories. What's the point in a license fee if they will just a spokesman for the Government
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Yep only on i player because the little snowflakew can't take a few hometruths about the climate.
 

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......and this is an example of bias, how exactly? Looks like a pretty good article to me.
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Some context:

Sky1981 said:
What you're seeing is nothing, it's a picture of X with a Narratives of Y. Most of the times it's a subtle (and sometimes not so subtle narratives).

Education = Culture eradication
Vocational school = "Internment camp"
Reeducation = "Brain washing"
Discipline = "Torture"
Sent to work = "Forced Slavery"
Border dispute = "Land Grab and Annexation"
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What if the whole thing is a fabrication from the west?

What if there's no such thing as Genocide, and it really is a vocational school where Uighur are taught some skills and Mandarin and Chinese culture, you know things we all learn at School. What if nobody got killed by millions?

One would think with the US pushing so hard to fabricate stuffs on daily basis, you'd think they'd easily find concrete proof of the CCP killing millions in a concentration camp. You can't even hide bodies from COVID deaths in many western cities, how unbelievable it is to think the CCP can hide 1 million graveyards? Grainy doctored pictures made with blurry and scary headlines? Closed up focus of I don't know what with fake narratives? "Credible Source" which are just internet hoax?


China may not be 100% angelic in all this, but ask yourself all this:

1. What gain does china have in killing millions of her own citizen, with US hot on her trails looking for any excuse for a war? They're busy buying off Africans, Asians, Europe, why bother killing millions of her own?
2. Slave labor? It's cheaper to actually pay for labors than to fund a covert operation to enslave millions of people.
3. You can't police a nation, or an ethnic, kills 1 in 10 people brutally and not have an uprising. Do you see any uprising in Uighyur? It's open for tourism by the way.
4. It's 2020, everyone has smart phone, you'd think if there's serious issue in there there would be more clear footage? You can't hide anything these days.

https://www.thestar.com.my/opinion/...hs-about-xinjiang-the-western-media-wont-tell

Some extract:


In 2018, tourism in Xinjiang surged significantly. A total of 150 million tourists visited Xinjiang, recording a 40% year-to-year increase. Among those tourists, 2.4 million were foreigners, an increase of 10%. People who visit Xinjiang are in awe of its tranquility, beauty and prosperity.
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Sky1981 said:
A group of Uyghurs from Xinjiang set up the East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM) some time back. On 11 September 2002, the United Nations classified ETIM as a terror organisation and an associate of Al Qaeda.

ETIM has been active in China for many years, notably in Xinjiang, home of the Uyghurs. They have killed hundreds of people, mostly in Xinjiang.

Then, in 2016, the Chinese government acted strongly on the ETIM members, arresting almost 13,000 of them and putting them in rehabilitation centers. At the same time, the Chinese government took other steps, such as increasing surveillance of Xinjiang in order to stop any further terror strikes by ETIM. Southern Xinjiang is now full of surveillance cameras and road blocks. but there has been no more terror attacks since 2016 and the people there are safe and happy now.

Most people in Southern Xinjiang only have a primary school education plus some religious (Islam) education. As a result of their low level of education, many of them cannot get jobs.

This is a dangerous situation because with their low level of education, little knowledge of Islam and hardly any income, they can easily be misled into joining ETIM.

To overcome this, since 2017, China has made secondary education compulsory (and free) to the youngsters in Southern Xinjiang. In addition to that, young adults are given vocational training so that they have enough skills to secure a job and an income. China even helps them to find a job upon completion of their vocational training.

The US is not happy with what China has done. The US fears China’s economic rise, and will do anything possible to stop China from being the no 1 economy in the world.

The US would like to see Xinjiang in turmoil. The US is home to a Uyghur separatist group. There is even an East Turkestan Government-in-exile in the US, located in Virginia.

The US would be happy if these separatist groups could take over Xinjiang and turn it into an independent country that is under US control. This would enable the US to cut off China’s access to Central Asia and Europe and considerably slow down China’s economic growth.

For this reason, it is not surprising that the US has created all sorts of fake accusations against China.

It is not true that the surveillance system in Xinjiang is aimed against the public.

It is not true that 1 million (now increased to 2 million, it seems) Uyghurs are in concentration camps (or whatever camps).

It is not true that China is harvesting organs from the Uyghurs

It is not true that there are Chinese officers or police or whatever in Uyghur homes.

It is not true that Uyghurs are prevented from praying or fasting.

and there are many more fake accusations.

Believing the fake US accusations, the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation , with 56 Islamic member countries, wrote a very negative report of China’s human rights actions against the Muslim Uyghurs, in December 2018. Then, in March 2019, after a visit to Xinjiang, they wrote the following:

“The Council welcomes the outcomes of the visit conducted by the General Secretariat’s delegation upon invitation from the People’s Republic of China; commends the efforts of the People’s Republic of China in providing care to its Muslim citizens; and looks forward to further cooperation between the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation and the People’s Republic of China.”

(Read item 20 in the following report:

https://www.oic-oci.org/docdown/... )

In October this year, 23 countries, made up of the US, the 14 eyes countries (who would always agree with the US), some NATO countries and a few other friends of the US, none of which are Muslim countries, wrote to the United Nations supposedly reporting China’s poor human rights practices in Xinjiang.

The next day, a group of 54 countries made the following statement to the United Nations:

Mr. President,

I have the honor to make the following joint statement on behalf of 54 countries including Pakistan, the Russian Federation, Egypt, Bolivia, Democratic Republic of the Congo, and Serbia.

We reiterate that the work of Human Rights in the United Nations should be conducted in an objective, transparent, non-selective, constructive, non-confrontational and non-politicized manner. We express our firm opposition to relevant countries' practice of politicizing human rights issues, by naming and shaming, and publicly exerting pressures on other countries.

We commend China's remarkable achievements in the field of human rights by adhering to the people-centered development philosophy and protecting and promoting human rights through development. We also appreciate China's contributions to the international human rights cause.

We take note that terrorism, separatism and religious extremism has caused enormous damage to people of all ethnic groups in Xinjiang, which has seriously infringed upon human rights, including right to life, health and development. Faced with the grave challenge of terrorism and extremism, China has undertaken a series of counter-terrorism and deradicalization measures in Xinjiang, including setting up vocational education and training centers. Now safety and security has returned to Xinjiang and the fundamental human rights of people of all ethnic groups there are safeguarded. The past three consecutive years has seen not a single terrorist attack in Xinjiang and people there enjoy a stronger sense of happiness, fulfillment and security. We note with appreciation that human rights are respected and protected in China in the process of counter-terrorism and deradicalization.

We appreciate China's commitment to openness and transparency. China has invited a number of diplomats, international organizations officials and journalist to Xinjiang to witness the progress of the human rights cause and the outcomes of counter-terrorism and deradicalization there. What they saw and heard in Xinjiang completely contradicted what was reported in the media. We call on relevant countries to refrain from employing unfounded charges against China based on unconfirmed information before they visit Xinjiang. We urge the OHCHR, Treaty Bodies and relevant Special Procedures mandate holders to conduct their work in an objective and impartial manner according to their mandate and with true and genuinely credible information, and value the communication with member states.

Thank you, Mr. President.

(see Joint Statement on Xinjiang at Third Committee Made by Belarus on Behalf of 54 Countries )

If you would like to know more about what has happened in Xinjiang, please spend 50 minutes to view the video in the following web page:

Fighting terrorism in Xinjiang

https://www.quora.com/What-s-happening-with-the-Uyghur-population-in-China
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My favourite part about that one is the glowing references from... Belarus. You know, that country in Europe with such a stellar human rights and transparency record.

This is my favourite though:

Sky1981 said:
This is also a western propaganda, the tibetans are thankful that the chinese are now there to build their place, the development they're enjoying is tremendous. And yes, tibetan monks still can embrace their religion without being jailed

Remember Iran/Syria, those lies fabricated by the US.
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How is it even possible for someone to be impartial? In these polarised times how do you comment on any political event without being accused of favouring one side or the other? Like what does an “impartial” opinion on the UK government approach to the refugee crisis even look like?
 

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Pogue Mahone said:
How is it even possible for someone to be impartial? In these polarised times how do you comment on any political event without being accused of favouring one side or the other? Like what does an “impartial” opinion on the UK government approach to the refugee crisis even look like?
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You can be like Andrew Neil editing the The Spectator, writing right wing articles, spouting right wing nonsense on your personal Twitter account while BBC chief political editor.

That’s the sort of impartiality they strive for.
 

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Pexbo said:
You can be like Andrew Neil editing the The Spectator, writing right wing articles, spouting right wing nonsense on your personal Twitter account while BBC chief political editor.

That’s the sort of impartiality they strive for.
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It was a genuine question. If working for the BBC means you opinions have to be impartial what opinion could Lineker hold on this that would be considered impartial?
 

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Get in shearer lad. They're looking like right bellends now the BBC.
 

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It’s going to be very very interesting seeing who is willing to be the face of it tomorrow night. Jermaine Jenas has no shame so him plus… Alan Brazil?
 

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It’s going to be very very interesting seeing who is willing to be the face of it tomorrow night. Jermaine Jenas has no shame so him plus… Alan Brazil?
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Mark Chapman most likely given he's a contracted BBC staff member.
 

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Mark Chapman most likely given he's a contracted BBC staff member.
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Chappers is good people. He’ll have the sniffles tomorrow night.
 

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I used to trust them a bit but now I feel how naive I was, they're nothing more than propoganda machine for their side.
 

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Manchie said:
I used to trust them a bit but now I feel how naive I was, they're nothing more than propoganda machine for their side.
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Definitely a huge silver lining. Hopefully this sways a large part of the population.
 

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The BBC chose to die on that hill. Feck them then.

Go figure who will be obnoxious enough to provide punditry tomorrow though. Henry Winter is right though when he said that anyone showing up tomorrow of all times will have her/his career tainted forever.
 
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