Delighted for him. We move on the Mourinho way. He moves on. Lose-win.
Bouhafsi: Martial wants to leave United
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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I was convinced we were signing Sanchez to play on the right.
Great post
It will be Willian which doesn't excite at all.
Same..
I see that point too. But the arrival of Sanchez, we didn’t see him really grasp any opportunity after that. To me it’s easier to go away to a club that will promise you a position and more things on your terms, rather than stay and prove an already doubtful manager wrong.
But he got into the national team. He clearly didn’t do enough. You also forget, Benjamin Mendy hardly played but got into the team and selected for the WC!
Everytime we have a young player leaving, everyone's go to argument is that player is lazy and has a bad attitude. It's really tiring. People are acting like Martial neglected his defensive duties like he's Januzaj or something. It's just ridiculous.
A lot of people were. Made too much sense, I guess.
Agree. If we can trade him for another too draw player, I’ll be more than happy.
IF United decide to sell we will get top money and he will go where we want him to go.
The days of cut price deals are long gone.
The days of cut price deals are long gone.
Would be a shame if we sold him to a club in England (or anywhere actually). But if a player wants to leave then let him leave.
Fair point on no one is bigger than the club but the likes of Ince, Hughes, Kanchelskis and Van Nistelrooy were sold so that our younger talents could come through. We've done the reverse here by buying a declining Sanchez to replace our best young player.
The Martial being lazy argument has been around long before his future was uncertain.
He seems to look flat footed quite often during games and then our resident body language experts chimed in with some more analysis (lol).
The attitude thing I thing intensified after his decision to call it quits after what, half a season of Alexis joining? Meh.
Then trust the manager, he's the most decorated in world football!
Mendy has nothing to do with this, France don't have a lot of good options as left fullback. On the wings, there is a lot of options.
Exhilarating post. On point. Bookmarked straight to my folder I use for sensual breaks.
But but but... Sanchez can play on the right and his stats are just as good there.
Most of us convinced ourselves and there was even a quote from Wenger saying the same.
Most of us convinced ourselves and there was even a quote from Wenger saying the same.
I trust him to start throwing everyone from Woodward to Fred the Red under the bus when he realizes that he can’t catch Pep this season again. Fully expecting a meltdown this season.
I disagree on this one. I think staying at United is the challenge - to win that spot and be part of/help that team get to the top again. Leaving is easy, in my opinion. He doesn't have to think long to realise either we become something close to a top team again very soon, or Jose leaves. Either way it sounds like he benefits there, so long as he starts putting in real shifts. I'm not sure he has it in him to do that though and it seems he doesn't want to.
So if you've paid £50m for him so far and he has 2 years left on his contract if you optionally extend it (as I understand things), you can't reasonably expect that any club is going to pay much more than that given that he wants to leave and has not progressed that much at United.
So if his sale value to United is - let's say and being generous - £60m, is it really so far-fetched to imagine a deal of Toby + £15m being struck? I mean, I don't know (and this a genuine question), but what other CL clubs are there that would offer a better deal?
We are selling the most talented player we had post Ronaldo because we have a manager who did not like two of the current best players in the world (KdB and Salah) but adores Fellaini. oh boy...
If he so desperately wanted to leave he would have made it clear, DDG that is, maybe he was open to leaving when the fax machine broke but since then he has stayed and never said a word. Ultimately you had one bad example, a shite player and Martial.
Well worth noting the ‘Martial is so lazy, he’s so non-committed’ rhetoric is the basically the same stuff that was lapped up about him being an ‘ice cold killer’. Only in those times he was actually given consistent football to play through dry patches and inconsistency (shock, early 20s player).
A lot of little details come into this, many strong opinions. I’m sad to see him go. But before I curse the club, manager or even player I’ll remember that Mata, Lingard and even Fellaini featured more prominently that Martial during Jose’s tenure thus far. Twist that as you will.
As great of a post this is, it also makes me sad that there are people on this forum that don't see this clear as day. It's absolutely absurd how so many people have the memory of a goldfish and couldn't think back into this early season.
The argument of Fergie selling off big names only works if Martial was actually the age of Stam, RVN etc. This is the equivalent of Fergie selling Pogba. Just mind blowing really
This is a very lazy analysis.
How sad.....a great young talent. Jose had it in for him from before he even arrived. He's such a petty tw@ at times. He's alienated almost all the talented players for the sake of functionality and his outdated methods.
Best of luck wherever you go Tony Martial was a pleasure watching you play at times.
Oh for Sir Alex
Best of luck wherever you go Tony Martial was a pleasure watching you play at times.
Oh for Sir Alex
I didn't know tactic is aging at speed of light. Suddenly Martial was all good and tactic was decent then the next few days after Alexis signed, tactic was outdated and Martial was not suited.Because Martial and even Rashford are not Jose's players - the man has such a strict formations, strict group of players, strict un-adaptable tactics - he tries to consistently use Rashford like a Target man that Lukaku is and Martial as a winger who crossesThe guy is outdated. One of the only idiots who would consistently play Martial on the wing & even drop him when he manages to marginally adapt and do some work on the wings.
You want him to come back and score whilst he is told to hug the touchline
Mate - Martial may be a poor worker; but Jose has some adapting to do with his tactics. It is that which end's young players careers - Lukaku at RW, De Bryune at RM, Salah as a RM defensive wingerMan has too much rules to get the best naturally out of players that would be appreciated by 90% of managers that have ambition to play football than purely win like this is a damn business.
Alexis being criticized for playing too narrow and we need to t fix it, Here you say we want martial to come back (cut back maybe) and score which he did all the time...
Rashford was ultilized as target man... when? Or when he played as central forward, we're exposed for not having a presence. Oh before, we're talking about Mourinho, please remind me why possession football master like LVG played Fellaini that much?
End younger players' career citing example players who moved onto next level. All of those at clubs who has questionable transfer dealing even without Mourinho at helm especially when it comes to young players...
Are you ITK by any chance to know so much about strict rules in Mourinho's team? Or Are you sure you even watch the games?
The world record transfer fee has gone up by around £120mil in that time.
The market is crazy.
Why on earth would United or anyone pay £75m for Toby, when he also only has 2 years left and he also wants to leave, due to being out of favour with Poch and being benched for many games. And please don’t quote me some nonsense quotes where he says he has 2 years left and he will stay at Spurs if needed. He is 29 years old and his situation is very comparable to Martial actually, so I’d like to know why you value an older defender at £15m more? Also he is available for just £25m in 12 months, so again if he doesn’t sign a new Contract that’s his low value set in stone - no negotiating - United don’t have that same choker around our neck with Martial.
Sanchez loses the ball more than him, no guarantee he will come good, but if this move happens, Mourinhio will be on chopping block if he does not deliver.
FC Martial, Jose fanboys, anti Martial posters. Jesus, give it a rest people, it's childish.
To play devil's advocate here.... What happens when we replace Martial with Arnautovic. Not even Willian, but Marko Arnautovic?
Sends a pretty great message to the rest of the squad if nothing else... You can have all the talent in the world but if you're feckless and lazy you're warming the bench and watching less talented players start ahead of you.
The absolute minimum we as fans can expect from the team is to work their absolute arses off for the shirt. Martial despite his talent seems to believe he can get away with ambling around the pitch like he's Messi (although Messi would never do that because he's where he is due to hard work).
I really hope we sell him to someone like Spurs... If he goes to Juventus and inevitably scores 20 goals a season in that one team league this thread will be bumped every week about how catastrophic his sale was... However at Spurs he'll be causing the same frustrations we see every week, whilst productive and hard working players like Son will see reduced minutes to accommodate.
If we could get Alderweireld and a big sell on clause I think we're laughing.
The absolute minimum we as fans can expect from the team is to work their absolute arses off for the shirt. Martial despite his talent seems to believe he can get away with ambling around the pitch like he's Messi (although Messi would never do that because he's where he is due to hard work).
I really hope we sell him to someone like Spurs... If he goes to Juventus and inevitably scores 20 goals a season in that one team league this thread will be bumped every week about how catastrophic his sale was... However at Spurs he'll be causing the same frustrations we see every week, whilst productive and hard working players like Son will see reduced minutes to accommodate.
If we could get Alderweireld and a big sell on clause I think we're laughing.
The Liverpool debut goal will remain in our memories. United should never keep a player who's heart is not at the club.
PS: I wonder what a manager like Sir Alex would have made of a player like Martial?
PS: I wonder what a manager like Sir Alex would have made of a player like Martial?
They were sold from a position of strength. Not where we are now, begging we win the title before our manager probably leaves.
Wish he'd give it 6 more months, then Mourinho will probably be gone.
Another Mourinho masterclass after De Bruyne and Salah.
Watch him tear up wherever he plays while we search for a replacement for the 30 year old Sanchez in the next 2 years.
Watch him tear up wherever he plays while we search for a replacement for the 30 year old Sanchez in the next 2 years.
It's no surprise, he joined midseason and the pressure was much more intense than at Arsenal. I don't blame him, he's a great pro and will always try his best. Martial could do to learn to be more of a fighter. I just don't get the logic Mourinho had to bring Sanchez and to play him at a position where we didn't need him. To make him instantly the highest paid player etc etc ... The whole thing is bizarre
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