Kevin
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Delighted for him. We move on the Mourinho way. He moves on. Lose-win.
Great postSince Mourinho has been here Martial's been completely shit on lets get it right, if you're going to question his mentality and of course as per take Mourinho's side in everything at least say it how it is.
Faith shown in him a plenty, rewarding us as a young talent should, Ibrahimovic comes in and they just take Martial's number, didn't ask, nothing, agent even said that affected him for a few days but he got on with it, i mean it is just a number is all, still, bit of a slap aint it.
Also i guess you were blinkered the majority of the season, before January he was racking up double digit goals and assists on that left side, more than Hazard at that point i believe, he won 3 player of the month awards and even won January player of the month award. But then Mourinho bought Sanchez, dropped Martial for no reason to accomodate him and relegated him to bit parts, like, why? He was our best player and the left side was our best source od attack just why, really pisses me off when Mourinho does this, he did the same when Shaw started to pick up form as well.
Mourinho's alienated him for no reason, its as simple as that, Martials fighting for a place he can't get, i don't blame him for wanting to leave and actually play, because Mourinho has his little favourites that no matter how shit they play never get dropped. Sanchez hasn't played any better than Martial did last season and quite frankly wasn't even needed, we get to keep onto a player coming into the twilight of their career and get rid of a brilliant talent like Martial. YES! lets all cheer guys, Mourinho is a god he knows what to do, he can do no wrong, its all Martial's fault because he doesn't smile!
Give me a break, honestly. Anyone cheering for such a great young talent wanting to leave is such a Mourinho fanboy its unreal, they'd cheer the selling of the class of 92.
It will be Willian which doesn't excite at all.If we can replace him with a talented right winger, I think it'll be the best option for everyone, us and him.
I was convinced we were signing Sanchez to play on the right.
Staying at United would be far easier. Hang around and chip in here and there, maybe win the odd cup. Pick up obscene wages.
If Martial really wants to cement a spot in a top team then leaving is probably the sensible thing to do.
If Martial leaves it will likely be for less money than what he'd be getting on new terms here. I remember similar rhetoric surrounding Pogba's initial leaving, a decision which turned out to be a good (and brave) one.
Because the logic is that Mou is in charge of his minutes. And if he doesn't give minutes to Martial, he is not letting Martial prove himself to belong on the French national team. It's similar to the reason that Mou gave for not letting Bailly on the pitch.
A lot of people were. Made too much sense, I guess.I was convinced we were signing Sanchez to play on the right.
If we can replace him with a talented right winger, I think it'll be the best option for everyone, us and him.
Fair point on no one is bigger than the club but the likes of Ince, Hughes, Kanchelskis and Van Nistelrooy were sold so that our younger talents could come through. We've done the reverse here by buying a declining Sanchez to replace our best young player.Just as well Twitter or Redcafe wasn't around when Ferguson got rid of the likes of Ince, Hughes,Kanchelskis, Beckham,Van Nistelrooy, Stam etc!
Moral of the story, not one single player is ever bigger than the club, especially if they have a lazy work ethic and sulky attitude!!
Everytime we have a young player leaving, everyone's go to argument is that player is lazy and has a bad attitude. It's really tiring. People are acting like Martial neglected his defensive duties like he's Januzaj or something. It's just ridiculous.
Then trust the manager, he's the most decorated in world football!You trust those decisions when you trust the manager, if it were fergie selling Martial I would be confident in his decision. Whereas the person selling Martial has led us to the dizzying heights of the league cup and Europa league. No manager is bigger than the club either.
But he got into the national team. He clearly didn’t do enough. You also forget, Benjamin Mendy hardly played but got into the team and selected for the WC!
Exhilarating post. On point. Bookmarked straight to my folder I use for sensual breaks.Since Mourinho has been here Martial's been completely shit on lets get it right, if you're going to question his mentality and of course as per take Mourinho's side in everything at least say it how it is.
Faith shown in him a plenty, rewarding us as a young talent should, Ibrahimovic comes in and they just take Martial's number, didn't ask, nothing, agent even said that affected him for a few days but he got on with it, i mean it is just a number is all, still, bit of a slap aint it.
Also i guess you were blinkered the majority of the season, before January he was racking up double digit goals and assists on that left side, more than Hazard at that point i believe, he won 3 player of the month awards and even won January player of the month award. But then Mourinho bought Sanchez, dropped Martial for no reason to accomodate him and relegated him to bit parts, like, why? He was our best player and the left side was our best source od attack just why, really pisses me off when Mourinho does this, he did the same when Shaw started to pick up form as well.
Mourinho's alienated him for no reason, its as simple as that, Martials fighting for a place he can't get, i don't blame him for wanting to leave and actually play, because Mourinho has his little favourites that no matter how shit they play never get dropped. Sanchez hasn't played any better than Martial did last season and quite frankly wasn't even needed, we get to keep onto a player coming into the twilight of their career and get rid of a brilliant talent like Martial. YES! lets all cheer guys, Mourinho is a god he knows what to do, he can do no wrong, its all Martial's fault because he doesn't smile!
Give me a break, honestly. Anyone cheering for such a great young talent wanting to leave is such a Mourinho fanboy its unreal, they'd cheer the selling of the class of 92.
Then trust the manager, he's the most decorated in world football!
Staying at United would be far easier. Hang around and chip in here and there, maybe win the odd cup. Pick up obscene wages.
If Martial really wants to cement a spot in a top team then leaving is probably the sensible thing to do.
We have paid roughly £50M so far. €60M is what we've paid - €50M for signing him and €10M for scoring 25 goals at the club. Converts to £52M at the moment but conversion rate would have been different at the time we signed him, the summer after and the time he scored his 25th goal.
If he so desperately wanted to leave he would have made it clear, DDG that is, maybe he was open to leaving when the fax machine broke but since then he has stayed and never said a word. Ultimately you had one bad example, a shite player and Martial.Where did I say anything about transfer request. Martial didn't put transfer request either. The point is that only young, exciting players who could make it somewhere else want to leave us. Not all of course, but I reckon from last few players that wanted to leave majority were from that crop, and not the likes of Darmian, Rojo, Jones, etc.
As great of a post this is, it also makes me sad that there are people on this forum that don't see this clear as day. It's absolutely absurd how so many people have the memory of a goldfish and couldn't think back into this early season.Since Mourinho has been here Martial's been completely shit on lets get it right, if you're going to question his mentality and of course as per take Mourinho's side in everything at least say it how it is.
Faith shown in him a plenty, rewarding us as a young talent should, Ibrahimovic comes in and they just take Martial's number, didn't ask, nothing, agent even said that affected him for a few days but he got on with it, i mean it is just a number is all, still, bit of a slap aint it.
Also i guess you were blinkered the majority of the season, before January he was racking up double digit goals and assists on that left side, more than Hazard at that point i believe, he won 3 player of the month awards and even won January player of the month award. But then Mourinho bought Sanchez, dropped Martial for no reason to accomodate him and relegated him to bit parts, like, why? He was our best player and the left side was our best source od attack just why, really pisses me off when Mourinho does this, he did the same when Shaw started to pick up form as well.
Mourinho's alienated him for no reason, its as simple as that, Martials fighting for a place he can't get, i don't blame him for wanting to leave and actually play, because Mourinho has his little favourites that no matter how shit they play never get dropped. Sanchez hasn't played any better than Martial did last season and quite frankly wasn't even needed, we get to keep onto a player coming into the twilight of their career and get rid of a brilliant talent like Martial. YES! lets all cheer guys, Mourinho is a god he knows what to do, he can do no wrong, its all Martial's fault because he doesn't smile!
Give me a break, honestly. Anyone cheering for such a great young talent wanting to leave is such a Mourinho fanboy its unreal, they'd cheer the selling of the class of 92.
We are selling the most talented player we had post Ronaldo because we have a manager who did not like two of the current best players in the world (KdB and Salah) but adores Fellaini. oh boy...
I didn't know tactic is aging at speed of light. Suddenly Martial was all good and tactic was decent then the next few days after Alexis signed, tactic was outdated and Martial was not suited.Because Martial and even Rashford are not Jose's players - the man has such a strict formations, strict group of players, strict un-adaptable tactics - he tries to consistently use Rashford like a Target man that Lukaku is and Martial as a winger who crosses The guy is outdated. One of the only idiots who would consistently play Martial on the wing & even drop him when he manages to marginally adapt and do some work on the wings.
You want him to come back and score whilst he is told to hug the touchline
Mate - Martial may be a poor worker; but Jose has some adapting to do with his tactics. It is that which end's young players careers - Lukaku at RW, De Bryune at RM, Salah as a RM defensive winger Man has too much rules to get the best naturally out of players that would be appreciated by 90% of managers that have ambition to play football than purely win like this is a damn business.
The world record transfer fee has gone up by around £120mil in that time.So if you've paid £50m for him so far and he has 2 years left on his contract if you optionally extend it (as I understand things), you can't reasonably expect that any club is going to pay much more than that given that he wants to leave and has not progressed that much at United.
So if his sale value to United is - let's say and being generous - £60m, is it really so far-fetched to imagine a deal of Toby + £15m being struck? I mean, I don't know (and this a genuine question), but what other CL clubs are there that would offer a better deal?
So if you've paid £50m for him so far and he has 2 years left on his contract if you optionally extend it (as I understand things), you can't reasonably expect that any club is going to pay much more than that given that he wants to leave and has not progressed that much at United.
So if his sale value to United is - let's say and being generous - £60m, is it really so far-fetched to imagine a deal of Toby + £15m being struck? I mean, I don't know (and this a genuine question), but what other CL clubs are there that would offer a better deal?
Fair point on no one is bigger than the club but the likes of Ince, Hughes, Kanchelskis and Van Nistelrooy were sold so that our younger talents could come through. We've done the reverse here by buying a declining Sanchez to replace our best young player.
It's no surprise, he joined midseason and the pressure was much more intense than at Arsenal. I don't blame him, he's a great pro and will always try his best. Martial could do to learn to be more of a fighter. I just don't get the logic Mourinho had to bring Sanchez and to play him at a position where we didn't need him. To make him instantly the highest paid player etc etc ... The whole thing is bizarreI agree. Then to hear Sanchez say he's found it hard to adjust to the type of play says it all (bet he adjusted his money clip). Sanchez is also known for regularly giving away the ball (Jose berates players for repeating the same mistake). The list of players wanting to play for him must be shrinking. Jose couldn't get his players onside to beat his former out of form team in a cup final. Not impressed!