They presumably didn't want to do that because the membership is overwhelmingly pro-Remain and would've immediately put pave to any of Corbyn's pro-Brexit whims.
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Feel the same about the Tories, except I don't have a viable alternative.
They are related though as the hesitancy is related to not making a potentially damaging choice if it's pointless anyway. That's fairly common sense. Now if we're arguing that politically the current choice is not going to win votes then i agree.
I said it ages ago but the EU are the only ones who can take us out of this loop. They need to provide alternative options, not changing the current WA but laying out Option B and Option C. It would close off any such unicorns we keep hearing as all would be on the table for parliament to decide, which do you want? A, B, C, no deal or no brexit.
As @Smores says the goal of the party is not be a cheerleader for tiny section remain people. Corbyn wrapping himself in a EU flag and representing the views of the people on Remain marches doesn't actually change anything.
Look if the ultra remain people were serious, they would have joined the labour membership after 2016 and try to democratise the party with the goal of changing labour Brexit position. But what they've instead done is complain and moan on twitter about politicians not meeting their every cultural preference(Liberal have turned into the left of the past).
Mate I wouldn't be voting for Blair post 2002.
But who said not to be sceptical ? But had Blair made similar left wing moves as Corbyn has done to Remain, I would have considered it a win for the left but in the end my answer will always be the same, it doesn't particular matter because without a democratised party everything else is pretty much useless.
Pretty much but had there been a democratisation of the party since Corbyns time(Which the left have wanted but the Labour Right/PLP/Union don't) then the actual position the party took would have been far more difficult to justify.
The EU need to provide alternative options?
What sort of alternative options are you thinking about (which doesn't include unicorns)?
The UK won't agree to maintain citizens rights, pay what they owe or maintain the GFA , that's what parliament, Tories and Labour and all the rest of them have voted against.
Why though? Our inability to reach a deal is our fault, not theirs. They have stated their terms and conditions from the start. Either we match them or we don't get anything - struggle to see that changing.
It is our fault absolutely but their relatively non-political nature should have them work above whomever the PM is that week. Given the timetables involved it would have made sense at the start not to restrict options to only those our current government desired. It should have been advisory, here's your options now decide as a nation what you want. What they couldn't do and i agree with it is speak to the opposition directly to form another route as that would be political interference.
And i know that the WA is less about options than the political declaration element but this has and will always be discussed as one.
most of the restrictions came from Mays red lines not the EU, they've said they're willing to remove the backstop if the UK is willing to agree to other measures that remove the need for an Irish border, i.e permanent customs unions
the reason they won't renegotiate is because the UK is only adding red lines rather removing them
and at some point when you're negotiating, if the demands are excessive you just have to give up and accept it won't happen, and the EU has accepted that
I just wish that people would focus on the facts and not their emotions.
The facts are those you have started about and have consistently stated almost since the beginning.
I just have to laugh when I hear candidates trying to convince people that THEY will be able to get the EU to renegotiate the WA.
It ain't going to happen...
Has any candidate said that we must accept the WA and move on to negotiate the FA ?
It won’t.
Only Rory Stewart from what I’ve seen. Struggling to give a flying feck about the race though so may have missed it
Government defeats cross-party bid to allow MPs to legislate to rule out no-deal
The government has won by 309 votes to 298 - a majority of 11.
The government has won by 309 votes to 298 - a majority of 11.
any breakdown available of who voted for what - would be interesting to see how many opposition didnt block no deal (and who) and equally who in the government votes to block it
in fact actually there is 650 MP's ... I find it crazy that apparently 43 of them (over 6%) either couldnt be bothered or dont have an opinion on the matter
Looking forward to seeing the mental gymnastics required to make this Corbyn's fault.
There are several problems, there's the emotional side but also some sense of party loyalty so if one is staunch Labour or staunch Tory they will defend that point of view regardless of how ridiculous it is.
Plus many people seem to believe that the WA will include some kind of trade deal. The public in the UK have been told so many lies, looking from the outside it looks incomprehensible that the UK is in this state.
Both the Tory party and Labour party are only interested in being in power, Brexit is a side-show. When the music stops and the party in power at the time of Brexit have to sort out all the consequences they'll wish that they weren't in power.
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Javid's launch now, astonishingly annoying due to how highly he clearly thinks of himself.
The state of these cnuts...
I've always thought no deal can be possible to due pure stupidity. But if we has open selections in the labour party this arsehole would be gone.
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No matter which side you're on, it's amazing how gloriously ineffectual the parties in British politics have become. I'd seriously go back to the days of Cameron, with the proviso that "austerity measures" and George Osborne are flung out of the nearest window by the end of this year at the latest.
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The thing is, if this Brexit bollocks hadn't stopped the Government getting on with the business of running the country, we would most probably be all done with it by now and we would be looking at a rosier future.
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So why does Britain have to go ahead with Brexit? Why can't the decision be reversed?
I actually have more respect for those that voted against than those who abstained
I think no deal would be a monumental mistake but can respect some others feel differently
I can't understand those choosing not to vote though
It can be... We just have to get a majority of parliament to vote for it ... And although it's easy to find a majority of people against something it's not so easy to get a majority of those in favour of anything at the moment
How the feck Kate Hoey is still a member I have no idea.
Here's the ten conservatives who voted against the government
It's really hard to deselect Labour MP's sadly.
Also Kate Hoey is self claimed ''socialist who believes in private schools. Insert Diane Abbott references here
Honestly thought for months that we would get a second vote. Can't see that happening after the no-deal vote.
That would actually be a good shortlist for the leadership.
Because the leader of the biggest remain party is a brexiteer?
It can be reversed but who ever did it would be committing political suicide.
Sounds like No Deal at the end of October is now very likely?
Into the void we go.
Rory Stewart didn't, then.
As a 50 something without hundreds of thousands of pounds behind him the future looks grim.