Are you still doing your boring, tired David Cameron apologist shtick?You seriously put Cameron on a level with Farage?
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Certainly do.You seriously put Cameron on a level with Farage?
Who was it that caved in to pressure from UKIP and his Eurosceptics to take us into a disastrous referendum with little or no planning on what to do if leave won.
Not only that but then buggered off leaving others to try to sort out his ineptitude.
I also blame him and his mate Osborne for the unfair way that the austerity programme targeted essential services.
*tinfoil, perhaps* Ever wondered why Cameron is far from devastated at the loss of his job, his reputation, and his historical standing? Curious, isn't it?
He moved to Wales and they have lots of farms?
I thought the same.What percentage thought it meant some professional rogues should come in?
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Sheep farms by any chance.
More likely pigs.
Since no one had even heard of this work a few weeks ago, it hasn't been used for 100s (?) of years, the fact that it is on the front page of every newspaper in the land on a daily basis, no wonder people are confused.
Labour motion tomorrow to try and take control of commons procedures to block no deal...
Will be interesting to see if they can pull this off because it seems most of the people about to become pm want it on the table...
If they succeed in tying the new PM's hands that might be enough to force the new pm to roll the dice on a snap election
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48598760
Will be interesting to see if they can pull this off because it seems most of the people about to become pm want it on the table...
If they succeed in tying the new PM's hands that might be enough to force the new pm to roll the dice on a snap election
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48598760
The UK left the real world in 2016 and are seemingly drifting further away from it.
Nearly all the Tory leader candidates are saying they will renegotiate the withdrawal agreement - not possible.
Other politicians talking about taking no deal off the table - the only way to do this is to ratify the WA or cancel Brexit
So what is it?
GE changes nothing and referendum only changes it if remain wins and Brexit is cancelled.
Nearly all the Tory leader candidates are saying they will renegotiate the withdrawal agreement - not possible.
Other politicians talking about taking no deal off the table - the only way to do this is to ratify the WA or cancel Brexit
So what is it?
GE changes nothing and referendum only changes it if remain wins and Brexit is cancelled.
No deal seems kind of unavoidable if everyone is too busy ignoring reality to actually agree on something?! I mean how can you ever settle on the bitter pill (for some) that are accepting May's deal or revocation, when politicians still think they can just re-negotiate a better deal?
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It's the word of the month. Just like "double-pivot" or "Corbyn".
Call me a cynical bastard but Brexit was never about Brexit, it was about seizing power. Specifically Tory arseholes taking the opportunity to create instability and grab the leadership for themselves when Cameron left. Then, because everyone in that party is so fecking incompetent, everyone fecked their campaigns up and May won solely by being the only person left who hadn't shat the bed. And now they're doing the same thing again because they've got tunnel vision because all they see are the private dinners, former SAS turned MI6 security and that old school prestige that comes from believing in an out of date "subservient masses must adore their emperor" attitude which conveniently overlooks the fact that millions around the golden temple are fecking fecked.
And now just over the horizon a big feck off fire is blazing towards us all. And the ones that do notice it are either too quiet because they don't want to scare anyone or are happy because they can sell whatever is left of the ashes.
@Mr Pigeon
I mean we can complain about Tories being cynical and I wouldn't disagree with you, but I think labour is actually the bigger disappointment, because even now they can't muster a strong stance against Brexit. How can you stop Brexit when even they want it, too? How can you take the deal that's on the table when they tell people that they will somehow negotiate a new one? Looks to me like they are playing games with Britain's future at stake just/almost as much as Tories.
I mean we can complain about Tories being cynical and I wouldn't disagree with you, but I think labour is actually the bigger disappointment, because even now they can't muster a strong stance against Brexit. How can you stop Brexit when even they want it, too? How can you take the deal that's on the table when they tell people that they will somehow negotiate a new one? Looks to me like they are playing games with Britain's future at stake just/almost as much as Tories.
Totally agree with you mate, hence;
feck knows where Labour went because my party isn't there anymore. It's the reason why I vote for those smarmy Tartan bastards nowadays.
I'm more concerned about the 6% of remainers who support prorogation.
Probably read it as meaning prolong I’m guessing.
You might be being generous.
Disappointing that Rory Stewart has backed out of voting to block it.
Perfect post.
And on this note...how can an average person potentially make money from Brexit? I need something, anything, to keep me sane.
I have a bridge that I can sell you. When we leave Europe bridge prices will rise because we won't be tied down by Brussels red tape. It's called Tower Bridge but you can name it whatever you want once you give me my five million pounds.
Literally today
Labour to launch bid to block new PM from forcing no-deal Brexit
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...d-to-block-new-pm-from-forcing-no-deal-brexit
Plus they've called for a second referendum multiple times(Just saying doesn't mean it will happen) . Now If your question is why can't they just stop brexit ? Well for Labour to get into power they need to keep labour leave voters.
In recent poll Remain is only front on single digits and the Brexit party(A party built on one single idea - No Deal)is polling between 1st and 3rd. The idea that a anti brexit stance is sure winner with the public and by Labour not turing up to Remain marchers is stopping them from but 20 points a head in the polls is complete shite(I really wish it was that simply but it's not)
I present you exhibit
a) https://labour.org.uk/issues/labours-plan-brexit/
Labour respects the result of the referendum, and Britain is leaving the EU.
Labour would seek to negotiate a new comprehensive UK-EU customs union
It's sort of pointless if you don't read the whole post.
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Yesterday's news.
You can't stop "no deal" unless Brexit is cancelled or parliament ratifies the WA - both rejected by parliament. Yes it's sort of pointless.
This is meaningless though - No Deal isn't an option you choose, it's the default if no agreement is reached.
On the second referendum Corbyn's still hesitant about fully endorsing one and it very much still seems to come with the caveat of it'll happen if a deal isn't reached.
Of course it doesn't completely stop a No deal but it gets further to stopping a no deal brexit.
There really is feck all Labour can do if tories MP's don't vote against their party.
We've had this discussion a million times. If the only thing that makes some happy is Corbyn turning into a EU loving, face painted cheerleader then sorry but the fault is on them.
When is Brexit being cancelled then because so far parliament has voted for no deal.
This is not about Corbyn it's about common sense which seems rather lacking in the UK at present. You can't have an agreement with yourself.
PS The Tories have done nothing but vote against themselves over Brexit - if Labour had voted for the WA the UK would be leaving with an agreement.
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I never doubted that Labour's/Corbyn's ambition is to force an election and win it. It's what they are willing to do/risk on Brexit to achieve that goal that I take issue with.
I mean you're just assuming that Labur is playing 4d chess (baiting leave voters with lies in the process btw?) for the greater good?! While to me it just looks like Labour is letting the country speed into the wall that is Brexit by only putting up token resistance.
Taking control of the day's agenda for example does nothing to stop no deal brexit. It's the default, it doesn't need ratification. The only way to stop no deal is to get a different solution through parliament. Did Labour support May's deal? No, they told fairytales and lies about being able to negotiating something entirely different. Does Labour support a second referendum? " Labour respects the result of the referendum, and Britain is leaving the EU."
What is left without a deal or a second referendum? Hard Brexit.
That's a completely different point entirely - you're arguing Corbyn has backed a second referendum, the caveat it he's reluctantly doing so in certain circumstances. Considering a deal of any sort now appears to be off the table it's fairly meaningless rhetoric and clearly doesn't satisfy Remainers.
will be interesting to see if that survives conference
https://www.anothereurope.org/motion-for-labour-party-conference-2019/
suspect there will be a lot of similar motions and Im not sure its going to be viable to keep them all off the agenda
Is the goal to satisfy remainers?
That's the issue with your side of the debate they've wanted cheerleading for the sake of it. Even the people's vote campaign has recognised that it's about getting things through parliament rather than pointless protesting.
Nothing is going to occur on a second referendum for a good few months now that May stood down. Labour can bang the drum but it won't achieve anything more than satisfying remainers discontent at not having their opinions reflected directly.
Unless the government collapse, then yeah, it's very unlikely we'll see a PV but by the same token a managed deal isn't any more likely - Corbyn's stance still somewhat seems to be that once he's in power the EU will be more willing to acquiesce to his unrealistic demands than they currently are to the Tories. Which is obviously an unrealistic stance.
In an ideal world there'd be room for prominent politicians at the top with a nuanced and balanced view of the EU issue, but considering the polarisation we now have you've very much got to either be solidly for Leave or against Brexit completely at this point; sitting in the middle-ground isn't going to get you particularly far for the most part. If the PV campaign want to mount pressure on the current government and turn the tide of public opinion then they're obviously going to want the head of the biggest Remain party to be someone who actually believes in their cause. In the same way Brexiteers are now at the point where they're demanding a proper Brexiteer be at the helm.
But I was largely responding to the wider point that Corbyn supports a second referendum: he only tacitly supports one in certain circumstances because he's being forced to for the most part. That's hardly the endorsement Remainers want to see and to suggest it is would be quite dishonest.
What resistance could they do ? If they back another referendum(Which they have in the past)it won't make tories vote against their party and it won't turn labour leave mp into remain mps. Labour have tabled motions on a public vote but it was defeated by again tories not voting against their party and Labour leave MPs. There is nothing the leadership of the party can do if they don't have the votes in parliament.
And this isn't me just defending Corbyn/Labour, all of this shit show could of been avoided if the party democratised itself and gave members a vote on it's brexit policy.
It doesn't satisfy a certain section of remain voters. The he's backed a public vote just take the win for feck sake.
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He hasn't unequivocally backed a public vote though, he's still saying he only backs one if a managed deal with the EU can't be reached. That isn't the same as properly backing one.
And scepticism is warranted. If Blair had been on the verge of losing in, say, 2005 but had promised a more leftist platform in order to get elected, would you have actually believed a word he'd been saying? You'd have been completely justified in not buying into him.