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Paul the Wolf

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The Port of Dover has declared a “critical incident”, blaming “woefully inadequate” French border control staffing for queues of up to four hours as the busiest summer getaway in at least eight years kicks off.

The Kent port apologised to travellers facing long waits to cross the Channel on what was also expected to be an extremely busy day for air, road and rail travel as most schools across England and Wales break up for the holidays.



The French have taken control of their borders - how dare they!
 

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Every year it's the same story and every year they fail to explain what is the actual bottleneck.
 

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Every year it's the same story and every year they fail to explain what is the actual bottleneck.
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Well the issue today, and will be on-going, is the time it takes to process passengers due to the additional checks required as a result of the UK leaving the European Union. This takes further time, combine with more people going away on holiday than in the last two years and you have your bottleneck.
 

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Well the issue today, and will be on-going, is the time it takes to process passengers due to the additional checks required as a result of the UK leaving the European Union. This takes further time, combine with more people going away on holiday than in the last two years and you have your bottleneck.
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To be honest you didn't really help me here. The same issue existed in 2016 without the current new controls, it existed during the same week. The issue isn't about Brexit, though brexit doesn't help, it seems that there is an issue between Calais, Dover, France and the UK.

My unfiltered suspicion is that we are in presence of a group of feckwits who are failing to communicate with each others, if I'm not mistaken most customs controls are supposed to be done in Calais but that means that Dover are supposed to control flux and not send a ridiculous amount of people in a short period of time, they seemingly don't care because they are not the ones doing the checking/registering.
Now the reason I ask about the actual reason behind the bottleneck is because I would like to understand how it can be fixed on the french side, is it a case of more staff for that particular week or is it an limitation due to infrastructure, the latter is a lot more difficult to fix.
 

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To be honest you didn't really help me here. The same issue existed in 2016 without the current new controls, it existed during the same week. The issue isn't about Brexit, though brexit doesn't help, it seems that there is an issue between Calais, Dover, France and the UK.

My unfiltered suspicion is that we are in presence of a group of feckwits who are failing to communicate with each others, if I'm not mistaken most customs controls are supposed to be done in Calais but that means that Dover are supposed to control flux and not send a ridiculous amount of people in a short period of time, they seemingly don't care because they are not the ones doing the checking/registering.
Now the reason I ask about the actual reason behind the bottleneck is because I would like to understand how it can be fixed on the french side, is it a case of more staff for that particular week or is it an limitation due to infrastructure, the latter is a lot more difficult to fix.
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Before I moved to France 15years ago, I used to do that crossing several times a year and have done it now and again since but never had any lengthy delays. The French passport control was in Dover the last time I went in 2018, don't know if it's been moved back to Calais since.

Now every passport has to be stamped which was not the case since the 70s notwithstanding any additional checks and customs. At the end of this year the visa waiver scheme comes into operation, no doubt it's going to increase delays because people won't have done the necessary properly.
 

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Paul the Wolf said:
Before I moved to France 15years ago, I used to do that crossing several times a year and have done it now and again since but never had any lengthy delays. The French passport control was in Dover the last time I went in 2018, don't know if it's been moved back to Calais since.

Now every passport has to be stamped which was not the case since the 70s notwithstanding any additional checks and customs. At the end of this year the visa waiver scheme comes into operation, no doubt it's going to increase delays because people won't have done the necessary properly.
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It predates 2018, that's why I'm doubting everyone involved.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-kent-36873632
 

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It predates 2018, that's why I'm doubting everyone involved.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-kent-36873632
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Yes but it was a very rare occurrence; In 2018 there were no queues anywhere, straight on straight off which was just about always the case. The roads into Dover are pretty awful after you get off the motorway/autoroute but they always have been.
The ports themselves have plenty of capacity and room.
 

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A reminder that this 105 page document lists all the Brexit benefits which we are going to enjoy: https://assets.publishing.service.g...ment_data/file/1054643/benefits-of-brexit.pdf

Including:

The UK Border

Making the UK border the most effective border in the world.

We want to make the UK border the most effective in the world. We are working in partnership with industry and the devolved administrations to deliver the commitments of the UK 2025 Border Strategy. This will radically transform how the UK border facilitates trade, protects the resilience of supply chains and keeps the UK safe. We are investing over £1 billion over the next three years in transforming border technology and operations to accomplish this and we are supporting industry to invest, alongside the Government, by making innovation at the border easier.
 

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Paul the Wolf said:
Before I moved to France 15years ago, I used to do that crossing several times a year and have done it now and again since but never had any lengthy delays. The French passport control was in Dover the last time I went in 2018, don't know if it's been moved back to Calais since.

Now every passport has to be stamped which was not the case since the 70s notwithstanding any additional checks and customs. At the end of this year the visa waiver scheme comes into operation, no doubt it's going to increase delays because people won't have done the necessary properly.
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What is the visa waiver scheme to which you refer? Does that mean British citizens will have to complete forms ahead of travelling like for the US?
 

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What is the visa waiver scheme to which you refer? Does that mean British citizens will have to complete forms ahead of travelling like for the US?
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Yes, they have to fill in a form,pay €7 to enter the Schengen area

The European Travel Information and Authorisation System (ETIAS) is a visa waiver program that is expected to come into effect by May 2023. The aim of ETIAS Europe is to provide a more secure journey to EU member countries as well as to strengthen the borders of the Schengen Area by pre-checking the data of travellers before they enter the zone.

This says May 2023 but it was supposed to come into force earlier
 

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Yes, they have to fill in a form,pay €7 to enter the Schengen area

The European Travel Information and Authorisation System (ETIAS) is a visa waiver program that is expected to come into effect by May 2023. The aim of ETIAS Europe is to provide a more secure journey to EU member countries as well as to strengthen the borders of the Schengen Area by pre-checking the data of travellers before they enter the zone.

This says May 2023 but it was supposed to come into force earlier
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Wonderful.I didn’t see “pre-fill a form and pay €7 to be allowed into France” on the side of that bus.
 

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Wonderful.I didn’t see “pre-fill a form and pay €7 to be allowed into France” on the side of that bus.
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It's more costly for EU citizens travelling to the UK who used to just need their ID cards. Now they need to buy passports to travel to the UK. At least the UK will have fewer foreign tourists which should please the Brexiters.
 

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Doug Bannister, the chief executive of the Port of Dover, said on Saturday that extra checks needed since Brexit were causing longer transaction times at border control, after French politician Pierre-Henri Dumont blamed Brexit for the chaos seen on Friday.

Bannister told the Today programme:

We are operating in a post-Brexit environment which does mean that passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped and indeed the capable people that do man the booths, police aux frontieres, they’re doing their job that they need to do now.
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He added that the port had “created more border capacity so that the overall throughput can be maintained”, and that their modelling had shown that there will be some “very peak busy days during the summer season” but “for the most part we should be able to cope with the traffic”.
Natalie Elphicke, the Conservative MP for Dover and Deal, has written a blistering comment for the Express in which she says the French owe the UK “a massive apology” for the disruption on the roads of her constituency, claiming French border control officers “failed to turn up for work”.


Labour’s Nick Thomas-Symonds has accused the government of being “absent” as another day of gridlocked roads around Dover begins.

The shadow secretary of state for international trade told Times Radio:

What we really do need to see is a government that is taking a grip of this situation.
The government has not been planning in advance. We were urging the government, for example, some months ago to negotiate a veterinary agreement to reduce the number of checks.
The government has not done that, has not put the planning in place and yet again, we have a crisis where the government is absent.
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More moronic comments from British politicians on both sides.
It's because of Brexit you morons. You were warned. And it's going to get much much worse.
Starmer's solution to a vet agreement is going to solve almost nothing and doesn't stamp passports.
 

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I'd love to think it was only people who'd voted for Brexit stuck in the queues but obviously it isn't.
This is what a hard border looks like. Its Brexit in action. Better get used to it.
 

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I thought they had built one and were going to use Manston airfield near Ramsgate as another but they probably haven't got the staff to run them anyway.

How they see this as something good/growth is ridiculous.
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Manston's getting turned back into a freight airport with a fast rail link so that's a non-starter.
 

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