Getting the message across in key battlegrounds? Or even Labour strongholds like Manchester?
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We may have signed up for a common market, but we knew what it would become. Winston Churchill wanted a United States of Europe for the exact reasons the EU appeared (whether or not he wanted us in it).
Former PM Edward Heath, the conservative prime minister who took us into the EU, says this:
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/a-euro-sceptic-churchill-never-1365239.html
People knew exactly what we were signing up for.
The full speech is here (I think)
http://www.churchill-society-london.org.uk/astonish.html
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Yeah, everyone up in arms becoming the armchair politician.
Then why isn't she resigning as an area that voted 62% leave's MP?
Don't forget about that fecking boatThe more I think about this the angrier I get. Should never have left this vote to the British public. The last time they left such an important vote to the British public, Jordan Henderson ended up on the cover of Fifa
i think it's fairly clear that anyone on the leave side, either campaigning or voting, has no idea of where we go now and little fecking clue of any consequence of this. the finger pointing and back tracking has already started and politicians are all just jostling for position within their parties rather than knuckling down and trying to sort the mess.
Not to mention declaring democratic referendums null and void when they didn't fall in the EU's favour. And the small matter of The EU (Germany) essentially declaring a democratically elected government in Greece illegitimate.
How did Lindsay Lohan take it? Badly?
I've just threadmarked this as it seems important.
*The EU* is what what the leaders of their nations decide it to be. There is no weird uncontrollable Brussels institution running wild. That is pure Thatcher brainwash, and nothing else.
And yeah, the big old dream of the common free market, without offering anything in exchange. The idea of taketh all, giveth nothing. Now you only have to explain why all the countries with smaller/weaker economies should agree to it.
There is a reason why Poland, for example, is such a big receiver of EU funding. It's compensation for allowing strong economies unrestricted access.
We as germans pay a lot more into the EU as you brits ever did. But every german with at least an additional 3rd working braincell knows it's absolutely worth it.
In secrecy, Cameron knew that all too well. Didn't stop him from demonizing the big devil in Brussels for years, claiming EU responsibility for fecking up what he and his goons fecked up in reality. Win-win, or? Aren't we soooo clever? *selftaps shoulders*
After a while he has realized in doing so he created a monster he couldn't master. And when he finally finds himself in a position where he has actually to defend the EU as overall good thing it is, nobody -what a surprise- believes him.
You reap what you saw at its finest.
She's chairing a COBRA meeting as we speak.
They didn't though, it was sold by Heath's government as a common market. It was called The European Economic Community.
So how realistic is it that the average British citizen will feel this negatively in their pockets? What are the chances of Britain actually profiting from this?
Great Britain is a strange concept.
Germany benefits the most from the EU. Their economy and currency were getting so strong that they had heavy inflation and therefore German products became more expensive for other countries to purchase, and in the end hurting German exports. With the euro and common monetary policies this becomes less prevalent.
You are not going to build a common market with every country following its own set of rules.
You will get your trade agreement. You are too big an economy and too integral part of the European marketplace not to. Right now there is a lot of noise and scaremongering from the EU since they want to keep other countries from going down the EXIT route.
Scottish independence referendum won't be as straightforward. Last time even Scottish nationalists wanted to keep UK Pound Sterling as its currency, but this time it won't be easy to decide between Euros and Pound, both of which seem set to be in-stable for some time.
We might be trading haggis and yorkshire puds in the future. Feck knows how bad it will turn out. Apparently sterling is only actually 3% lower against the USD than it was last Friday, such has been the misplaced rally earlier in the week and the FTSE is up over the same timeframe.
Andy Murrray gone. UK back to Slam-less status for 80 years.Same for Ireland. Good luck to both of them.
Sad day this, it will spark the end of the UK. It's going to end up being just England and Wales.
According to pretty much every expert, every official head of state, and every big company, somewhere between null and zero percent.
That might be because sterling became stronger in the last few days when it looked that 'Remain' will win.
I'm sure this has been joked about umpteen times, but man, two of the worlds super powers are soon to be ran by Boris Johnson & Donald Trump. What a time to be alive. Two Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime racists who'll ruin both countries.
Joking (kinda) aside, stupid fecking Brits.
Joking (kinda) aside, stupid fecking Brits.
Independence referendums on the cards for Scotland and Northern Ireland now. How bad is the £ doing? I still cant believe you lot. First Scotland chicken out now Britain pulls out.
The EU is about unified standards within its boundaries. Most of the times, this is good thing. It can get problematic whenever a specific standard is higher than what the EU has agreed on.
In your specific example, it's probably a lobbying push from BP, Shell & Total. You don't lose your autonomy over your national standards, if they are higher, though.
You could have told them to feck off, even if you were already a full member.
As an example, our parliament just decided on a nationwide ban for shalegas and other unconventional fracking methods, the energy companies are not amused...
Probably the UK, France, Portugal and Spain behind it. The EU isn't a monolith, and every member of course tries to push its own agenda as far as possible.
Trump wont win.....I would have said until last night.
Boris was going to run this country regardless of the result. Cameron was done this year anyway.
We just go by Britain now.
Donald Trump: "Just arrived in Scotland. Place is going wild over the vote. They took their country back, just like we will take America back. No games!"
I never thought I would type these words but here it goes.
Glaston, I fully agree with you.
McGuinness has called for a referendum for a United Ireland.
Scottish Ref will go through with a landslide, they'll take their oil away and join the Euro. fecking Sterling even further you would think.
In NI I'm not sure if a referendum would vote to leave, though you really can't imagine what the idiots in power here will campaign for or against, a united Ireland or remain vote I would imagine because NI can not exist on its own, it's populous wouldn't know what to do with themselves.
What a complete and utter shit show.
#control?
In NI I'm not sure if a referendum would vote to leave, though you really can't imagine what the idiots in power here will campaign for or against, a united Ireland or remain vote I would imagine because NI can not exist on its own, it's populous wouldn't know what to do with themselves.
What a complete and utter shit show.
#control?
The worst part is it was pretty fecking clear before the vote they had no plan and yet everyone still voted for it.
Predictably, the Chinese have held this up as another example of how western democracy doesn't work:
In classic fashion, the Global Times has swooped in to offer opinion aplenty on the #Brexit, with this editorial from Wang Yiwei, published this morning, lamenting the referendum and Western-style democracy in general.
"Democracy is at its roots the achievement of human political civilization, but today it's become a game to be played," he writes."This is a tragedy."
Wang goes on to say that the vote proves China is going about things the right way, saying: "In terms of productivity, China has won; in terms of resilience, China will win."
Wang, a professor of international relations at Renmin University of China, also criticizes the EU's constant tendency towards ballots and referendums, arguing that they lead to populist hijacking:
Europe has been playing the 'referendum' game, which proves that democracy is hijacked by nationalism and populism, showing more and more negative effects. Under the negative impact of globalization, democracy lacks institutional resilience.
He argues that the referendum will ultimately lead "people [to] lose faith in democracy" and that "democracy's waywardness makes it suspect."
In classic fashion, the Global Times has swooped in to offer opinion aplenty on the #Brexit, with this editorial from Wang Yiwei, published this morning, lamenting the referendum and Western-style democracy in general.
"Democracy is at its roots the achievement of human political civilization, but today it's become a game to be played," he writes."This is a tragedy."
Wang goes on to say that the vote proves China is going about things the right way, saying: "In terms of productivity, China has won; in terms of resilience, China will win."
Wang, a professor of international relations at Renmin University of China, also criticizes the EU's constant tendency towards ballots and referendums, arguing that they lead to populist hijacking:
Europe has been playing the 'referendum' game, which proves that democracy is hijacked by nationalism and populism, showing more and more negative effects. Under the negative impact of globalization, democracy lacks institutional resilience.
He argues that the referendum will ultimately lead "people [to] lose faith in democracy" and that "democracy's waywardness makes it suspect."
Well it´s America. All Trump voters know about Scotland is that it is reigned by Mel Gibson, so context and details like the actual vote are negligible.
Little Britain make more sense
Putin must be happy. Will Putin be happier in November?
Wales doesn't count, call it England.
Basically London then so..
I thought it summed his whole presidential campaign up.