What do you actually know about either of those things?
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You answer my question first, then ask your own...
No deal paralyses the country. Why would you want to destroy the economy to start afresh. What does that mean? What will the UK obtain that is better than they already have and how long will they have to wait for it.
What is the goal that the UK are seeking?
If the UK could be self sufficient, not have to deal with the outside world at all and stay on their island you could almost understand Brexit, but even then why would you do that.
Haha what feckin age are you? I know nothing about either. Open Skies is an agreement between US and EU. Thats something you will have to renegotiate on your own with the US and EU.
Listen Im not running for Prime Minister here so I dont jump to every question Im asked. At the end of the day I dont have to provide a solution to all the problems and pushing that as an agenda to try and silence me is frankly childish.
Leaving is not going to be easy but look at the benefits long term and the deal that ties you to Europe is not worth taking.
So you know nothing about either, but think you know enough for the UK to abandon all agreements that tie us to the EU.
The type of insight that got us into this mess in the first place.
The type of insight that got us into this mess in the first place.
But what are the benefits long term?
As other posters have already pointed out, nobody knows anything about the long term. No studies have taken place on it, there's nothing. Nobody has a clue where a hard Brexit will leave the UK in ten years, only that it will probably feck them, and others in the short-term once they do it. They might recover and become a bigger economy, or it might leave them fecked, nobody knows.
Trying to speculate on long term benefits and whatnot is naive thinking because nothing like this has ever happened before so we simply do not have a clue. It's as silly as the leaver's whole campaign and logic in the first place, quite frankly.
But you're out, so why are you asking those questions now?
You will NOT get any deal from Europe that benefits Britain. Never happening. So wake up to that. If you take the soft brexit in 5 years you will be complaining aboit how May and the tories fecked the country by taking such a bad deal.
You havent actually said anything in about 8 messages. Nothing...
And neither have you, only you are presenting No Deal as a viable option. But with no tangiable, proven benefits, and no solutions to the inevitable problems that will arise.
I don't have an answer because there is no good outcome if Brexit happens. But No Deal is the very, very, very worst option.
They will though. You're looking at it in terms of current deal vs future deal, but if you look at it in terms of future deal vs no deal...
Thats exactly what I am saying. Use the Economic Area agreement to buy time and get a proper deal... Dont take the soft deal.
You're contradicting yourself.
Sorry but I don't get you, this is what you said before?
And anyway, even on your first point, regardless of whether the UK take the agreement or not, they won't get a different deal if they do, it doesn't matter if they take a deal now, or two, or five years down the line, the EU rules will still be the same.
if/when the UK leave the EU the only "good" deal (i.e. less bad, because nothing is as good as what they currently have) is a soft brexit and staying in the single market. It won't get better than that.
I didn't decide to leave. I live in France, I decided to leave the UK 11 years ago. I thought you were in Australia.
Brexit is the most stupid thing the UK have done since the war. I don't live and never will live in the UK again.
EEA involves borders, it's the border that is the problem. The UK cannot cope without a frictionless border.
I don't need to ask questions, I know the answers and knew the answers long before the referendum.
Pity people didn't find out the answers before they voted.
Because that's not a mechanism, that's an actual deal.
Besides, EEA is soft Brexit.
May has been trying to push Brexit on the agenda in Brussels. The other leaders are telling her to get fecked.
Europe's position hasn't and will not change. The irony is that UK already has a pretty cushy deal as it is now with the opt-outs and vetoes and rebates and everything else competent government's have negotiated over the years. Yet that's what we're willing to throw away. Madness.
I think the idea that "the EU's position will not change" is wrong. Which is not to say its going to bow to pressure from the UK. But it might bow to pressure from other EU member states who have their own agendas. Look at Italy, look at Hungary. The whole principle of freedom of movement within the EU is under pressure, it is not inconceivable it could collapse. That would be a game changer.
Not that I expect it to happen. But the point is Brexit is not happening in a vacuum and the EU position could change given the EU itself could change.
Not that I expect it to happen. But the point is Brexit is not happening in a vacuum and the EU position could change given the EU itself could change.
Freedom of movement has nothing to do with Italy or Hungary.
Doesnt the whole immigration debate put freedom of movement in question? Just Schengen, but people could still move with a passport?
Anyway, even if it wasnt freedom of movement that killed it, the EU itself still faces an existential threat from immigration. I dont say this because I want it to fail, or that I believe it will. But it does look a possibility. If they dont agree quotas for sharing immigrants and places like Hungary start closing their borders to immigrants an almighty row is going to break out, who knows where that would end. Or, at the end of it, what the EU position would be.
No, it puts the solidarity mechanisms and principles in question, and in the case of Hungary the principle that a country shouldn't be kicked out. Freedom of movement doesn't apply to immigrants not even asylum seekers unless they become residents of a member state. This subject isn't really about the EU, it's about national governments and their willingness to support others in sensible cases like mass immigration.
It is pointless trying to turn Jeremy Corbyn into a Remainer
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/06/it-pointless-trying-turn-jeremy-corbyn-remainer
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/06/it-pointless-trying-turn-jeremy-corbyn-remainer
Hungary wants freedom of movement, it doesn't want migration from outside the EU
If Corbyn is really serious about his "jobs first brexit" nonsense, he will start discussing the positives of free movement.
Anyway,. Corbyn and I know that that slogan is just stupid mantra so it's not going to happen.
It's frankly silly if Corbyn supporters are surprised he's his getting criticism for how he has instructed his party to vote on a number brexit issues. You get the impression some are saying labour voters should keep quiet and just follow Corbyn blindly. That's cult-like mentality.
Post is not at @Sweet Square but at the article and some of the nonsense Paul Mason has been saying recently.
Anyway,. Corbyn and I know that that slogan is just stupid mantra so it's not going to happen.
It's frankly silly if Corbyn supporters are surprised he's his getting criticism for how he has instructed his party to vote on a number brexit issues. You get the impression some are saying labour voters should keep quiet and just follow Corbyn blindly. That's cult-like mentality.
Post is not at @Sweet Square but at the article and some of the nonsense Paul Mason has been saying recently.
With other nations obviously.
Obviously, but we are talking about how things will be with other nations, not how things are currently with the EU.
For us to determine, which makes us sovereign.
Oh wow, you really relegate the UK to a irrelevant customer.
Then why would the Italians vote in an anti Eu government?
Who sorts the problem at the source?
None of the above is clear. Everyone understands that, which is why we all have to wait and see how it pans out.
Everyone.......free.
Bollox. If you believe that, I feel sorry for you.
Has no choice but to accept EU regulation. Not sovereign.
And buying?
The regulations benefit the big corporations, and the consumer loses out.
Non EU immigration is not a problem.
So?
What if a Brits have to take pay cuts because the EU national is willing to work for less pay?
See above.
Little bit invested in this are we?
Bullshit.
No as I said WTO, EU regulations are for sales to the EU
As I said same as is.
As I said the country you are selling to dictates the regulations for the products you sell.
The UK dictates to the Supplying country the standards it requires.
When you have an agreement through the EU the supplier knows that the 27 other countries' standards are all the same and they will have access to all 27.
Dealing with the UK alone, these could be different regulations and standards and the UK are only giving access to one country , the UK.
Not irrelevant but much much smaller and less powerful that a 27 nation teamwith a population (customers) eight times the size.
The Italians voted in an anti-immigrant (foreigner) government. It's a fairly common disease afflicting the world at the moment. Unlike the UK the anti immigrant sentiment applies to non-EU citizens. Not really anti Europeans more anti non-Europeans
Problem with Brexit, it appealed to those who dislike both Europeans and non-Europeans
If we could do that, maybe the world would be a happier place
The other point is if all the nations were completely separate states and the EU did not exist, what would happen to these refugees/immigrants?
Would they just vanish?
The details are to be clarified. The four freedoms are indivisible as repeated yet again numerous times today by the EU
No. Eu regulations are for sales to EU countries also, and this is what we're interested in.
What?
Things can be radically different how we trade with other countries. For one thing we can negotiate/remove tariffs buying Japanese cars.
Which will mostly not be as regulatory as the EU.
No. The EU dictates this.
The UK already meets these standards, and so trading standards with the EU remains the same. What the big corporates will be concerned about is how smaller companies will be able grow selling to other nations with lesser regulations.
Who we will still trade with, and who still want to trade with us.
So voting in an anti EU government was the wrong decision by the Italian voters?
They're mostly all stupid, like how remainers think of Brexiters?
What is the answer to the problem?
Each nation could simply ship the refugees back to their nation of origin, but is this the EU answer?
Which is why we're leaving.
A small company cannot afford to meet EU regulations and compete with the big corporates.
The regulations are necessary or unnecessary?
You say bullshit because that's all you can think of to say.
This thread is for people who are just pissed off with Brexit but don't know why.
I work for a small company. The EU safety and environmental regulations we work to ensure an even playing field against companies 10 times our size who would otherwise cut corners in the name of increased volume. So much so that we actively lobby in Westminster and Brussels for even higher levels of regulation to ensure the very best outcome for the end user safety-wise. Without these regulations people would otherwise (and have in days of lesser regulation) die in the wrong circumstances.
The regulations are there to protect the consumer.
But carry on with your generalisation and patronisation.
The EU have already negotiated this with Japan.
http://europe.autonews.com/article/...rap-tariffs-on-japan-built-cars-in-trade-deal
And you can't uniltaterrally wave tariffs, it has to be within a free trade agreement. Otherwise you have to offer that beneficial perk to every other WTO member that doesn't have an FTA with you and also the ones that have an FTA if that perk is more advantageous.
Not sure if we are at cross purposes here - EU regulations govern sales between EU countries and external countries selling into the EU.
Regulations and tariffs are two different things. Don't forget WTO rules though. The EU have an agreement with Japan negotiated with the UK on the EU team.
I know Farage has been missing in inaction for 20 years but the UK have been part of the EU during that time.
Speculation is how long will it take to renegotiate a deal with Japan and how interested the Japanese are if they have to pull out their businesses of the UK because of a no deal scenario. It's not just the EU who are not impressed by the UK.
Do you know this? I can assure you that dealing with the EU is far simpler than sending goods to the USA or Australia for example. This has been a major part of my job for the past 30 years.
Of which the Uk have been a part, when the UK leaves it will be the UK.
It sounds as if you are in favour of lower standards.
Again who said other countries have lesser regulations. The UK have the same standards as the EU now but legally won't do when they leave but you just contradicted yourself intimating that the UK would no longer have to adhere to these regulations.
But your discount has been reduced because you are no longer a big customer.
Anti-Immigrant
Sounds very humanitarian
Thus with no deal and thus we know most of the answers already. Degree is what we don't know.
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