Paul, its not just that a substantial number of Leave voters didn't believe either project, it was they didn't care! Most leave voters (that I've met) were on a different page anyway, different to one another in some cases, but united by the feeling of being forgotten, left behind, lied to (for years) was the phrase often used to me. Its symptomatic of the 'red wall' collapse and the vote for Tory candidates in previous dyed-in-the-wool Labour areas.
The fact is that at one of the most crucial times in our history, the Labour party failed their basic constituency when they voted in a Leader who hadn't got a cat in hell's chance of winning a GE, in some Labour areas, never mind the rest of the UK. That is why they will not be forgiven, probably for a generation. Starmer's only chance is to push Boris all the way on his "Even things up" promises.
As for the leaders of Remain, well they had no idea, at all, what was going on; all they could project was a "look how bad it will get (for me implicitly) if we leave, vision! "
Well now, if you were a Leave inclined voter and already felt you were 'pis***g against the wind, basically with both major parties and the other smaller parties are a joke to you, then Farage's clarion call was a 'way out'', at least he seemed to wanted to change things and that's what you wanted, almost at any price, and is likely to be just that... at any price!
I get what you're saying but it's what I mean. The Uk government have for donkeys years , not just the last 5 or 10 years blamed the EU for all their faults.
If people felt they were left behind why vote in the same government that were responsible for their problems. Why would poor Labour voters vote Tory when it was the Tories behind their problems.
Fortunately for the Tories, Labour had unfortunately put Laurel and Hardy in charge in Corbyn and Starmer, hopeless.
The problem with the Remain argument was that the "left behind" wasn't the EU's fault so the Tory Remainers wouldn't admit it was their fault any more than the Tory Leavers and the Labour dynamic duo couldn't trigger A50 fast enough
Farage couldn't care less about the EU, he was so shocked Leave won he suddenly realised he voted himself out of a job. He's a populist, always against everything but with no solutions, trying to find the next subject he can stir hatred up within the people. Wasn't he going to stir up people against Covid restrictions. Just a nasty little man.
By voting Leave what has even the most ardent Brexiter achieved, there are now more immigrants than ever, there is now more bureaucracy and red-tape than ever, there are more and more problems than ever with business, there are less markets the Uk can trade with easily , even the UK borders are more controlled by the EU than before and there is an endless list of disadvantages.
We're less than 7 weeks in and just some of the problems have only just begun. Much more to come and at what point does someone admit that they have got it so badly wrong.
No-one has been able to state an advantage. Since the vote we've had the cake and eat it, the Norway model, the Swiss model, the Unicorn model, Brexiters chanting WTO, they need us more than we need them , we have all the cards, trade deals will be lined up waiting to be concluded as soon as we leave, now they've moved on to expanding markets as if no-one could trade with them before and freeports, more tax evasion tunnels under a munitions dump, and every time the next lie comes along, when all the previous lies have to been shown to be complete b*ll*x the Brexiters still cheer them on.
Even Liz Truss's photocopier has run out of toner, still hasn't finished copying all the deals the EU negotiated.
If they had just sat down and reflected for a short while on how voting Leave could possibly help anyone's situation (apart from ultra-rich tax evaders) - it's the gullibility of so many people which is so sad. And even more sad is there is no easy or quick solution to get out of this mess and the worse mess yet to come.
The first thing is to change the electoral system and get out of this archaic two party Tory vs Labour mentality.