Still not letting go Paul ... never knew Frost could do a convincing Irish accent, will his list of talents never end?You always wanted to know what the benefits of Brexit were:
Brexit problems are only going to increase so there's a long way to go.Still not letting go Paul ... never knew Frost could do a convincing Irish accent, will his list of talents never end?
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Well. Isn't it fortunate that Boris had an 'oven ready' deal..UK says it wants to substantially rewrite Northern Ireland Brexit protocol
The UK has launched an attempt to substantially rewrite the Northern Ireland Brexit protocol that Boris Johnson signed up to in 2019, arguing “we cannot go on as we are” given the “ongoing febrile political climate” in the region.
But as he unveiled the UK’s blueprint for an alternative, the Brexit minister stopped short of ripping up the document completely or arguing the time was right to trigger the article 16 provision that enables either the UK or EU to suspend part of the arrangements in extreme circumstances.
“The difficulties we have in operating the Northern Ireland protocol are now the main obstacle to building a relationship with the EU,” David Frost warned, adding there was still time to do a fresh deal rather than walk away by triggering article 16.
“We concluded that it is not the right moment to do so,” said Lord Frost.
But he warned that “these proposals will require significant change to the Northern Ireland protocol. We do not shy away from that. We believe such change is necessary to deal with the situation we now face.”
In a foreword to the 28-page document, Frost and the Northern Ireland secretary, Brandon Lewis, say the proposals will “not dispense with many of its [Northern Ireland protocol] concepts” but hoped to create “a stronger long-term foundation to achieve shared interests”.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ally-rewrite-northern-ireland-brexit-protocol
Probably only thinking in terms of the 2019 election and winning that.Why sign the deal when it was obvious there would be checks between the rest of the UK and the Irish sea? Either basic stupidity signing the deal, or thought they would break the agreement at a later date which is decietful.
Well, at a minimum the NHS is benefitting from that extra £250m a week.
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Never gonna happen.That might lead to hard borders which is tragic. The ROI will need to understand that this situation is a threat to the EU's very existence. Therefore they can either enter into an agreement with the UK and checks will be made to every product coming out of Ireland or else agree to borders between ROI and NI. Any decision taken by the ROI will be respected and the EU should commit itself to support the ROI in any way possible. If that had to happen then Westminster should be told quite clearly not to bother ever knocking at Brussels door unless of course Scotland, Wales or NI leaves the union and they want EU membership.
A hard border is simply not an option regardless of which side it suits. The Irish should and will take the decision which protects the GFA and maintains peace in Northern Ireland. A hard border basically guarantees the regression back to violence and that is not something that anyone here would willingly accept in order to appease the EU or the UK.Its evident that the Withdrawal agreement was the UK's attempt to create a chink in the integrity of the Single market. Once that was achieved they are doing their very best to further weaken that integrity. The idea is simple. The UK would render itself attractive at a global level because of its backdoor into the single market. Its cakeism at its best, full 'unofficial access' into the market that matters minus the responsibility and restrictions being a member of the single market entails.
The EU must act decisively here. Grace periods should end immediately, Retaliatory tarriffs should be immediately imposed, equivalence on financial services and data protection should not granted and every single item coming out of the UK into the EU should be checked. International law is sacred and Boris had ripped that apart setting a horrible precedence. If the UK can't hold its side of its bargain then why should the EU?
That might lead to hard borders which is tragic. The ROI will need to understand that this situation is a threat to the EU's very existence. Therefore they can either enter into an agreement with the UK and checks will be made to every product coming out of Ireland or else agree to borders between ROI and NI. Any decision taken by the ROI will be respected and the EU should commit itself to support the ROI in any way possible. If that had to happen then Westminster should be told quite clearly not to bother ever knocking at Brussels door unless of course Scotland, Wales or NI leaves the union and they want EU membership.
They signed it because, as much as the Loyalists in NI like to think they matter, England and English people don't give a shit about NI. Do you think any English person looks at the bonfires and orange marches and feels in any way connected to that? The fact is that Irish people and indeed the Irish government have always cared more about the North and know more about the North than the vast majority of English people. I say 'English' because lets stop pretending that the UK is anything more than England. Scotland, NI and Wales are bit parts of the union and the UK is simply whatever England wants, or at least thats how they want it to function.Why sign the deal when it was obvious there would be checks between the rest of the UK and the Irish sea? Either basic stupidity signing the deal, or thought they would break the agreement at a later date which is decietful.
Well, at a minimum the NHS is benefitting from that extra £250m a week.
Then it will be either the ROI leaving the EU or checks needs to be made between ROI and the single market/custom Union. The EU project is far more important to be threatened by one countryA hard border is simply not an option regardless of which side it suits. The Irish should and will take the decision which protects the GFA and maintains peace in Northern Ireland. A hard border basically guarantees the regression back to violence and that is not something that anyone here would willingly accept in order to appease the EU or the UK.
The customs border in the Irish Sea is going nowhere The EU are not going to back down. All it takes is for the UK to agree to a proposition already made by the EU and most of the problems are solved.Then it will be either the ROI leaving the EU or checks needs to be made between ROI and the single market/custom Union. The EU project is far more important to be threatened by one country
Ps we are talking about goods not people
Fairytale stuff here to be honest.Then it will be either the ROI leaving the EU or checks needs to be made between ROI and the single market/custom Union. The EU project is far more important to be threatened by one country
Ps we are talking about goods not people
Sadly it’s underestimating what will happen in this country if borders go up again. No one here wants to live through that again.Its evident that the Withdrawal agreement was the UK's attempt to create a chink in the integrity of the Single market. Once that was achieved they are doing their very best to further weaken that integrity. The idea is simple. The UK would render itself attractive at a global level because of its backdoor into the single market. Its cakeism at its best, full 'unofficial access' into the market that matters minus the responsibility and restrictions being a member of the single market entails.
The EU must act decisively here. Grace periods should end immediately, Retaliatory tarriffs should be immediately imposed, equivalence on financial services and data protection should not granted and every single item coming out of the UK into the EU should be checked. International law is sacred and Boris had ripped that apart setting a horrible precedence. If the UK can't hold its side of its bargain then why should the EU?
That might lead to hard borders which is tragic. The ROI will need to understand that this situation is a threat to the EU's very existence. Therefore they can either enter into an agreement with the UK and checks will be made to every product coming out of Ireland or else agree to borders between ROI and NI. Any decision taken by the ROI will be respected and the EU should commit itself to support the ROI in any way possible. If that had to happen then Westminster should be told quite clearly not to bother ever knocking at Brussels door unless of course Scotland, Wales or NI leaves the union and they want EU membership.
The EU aren't going to kick Ireland out of the single market/customs union. Absolutely no chance.Then it will be either the ROI leaving the EU or checks needs to be made between ROI and the single market/custom Union. The EU project is far more important to be threatened by one country
Ps we are talking about goods not people
Oh I do and that's why I said its tragic.Sadly it’s underestimating what will happen in this country if borders go up again. No one here wants to live through that again.
im not saying give in to Boris, im saying find another way
If that the case then I can see two options hereThe EU aren't going to kick Ireland out of the single market/customs union. Absolutely no chance.
Think about what you're saying though. Let's imagine that the EU's response to the UK abandoning the protocol would be to kick Ireland out of the single market... that effectively puts a gun to Ireland's head. Each time the UK wanted anything from the EU, it could threaten to trigger Article 16 of the protocol and force Ireland to do its bidding/ wield its veto.If that the case then I can see two options here
A- The UK ends up exploiting this hole within the single market. That will bring the end of the EU.
B- Hard borders is imposed on anything coming out of the ROI which will be pretty much the same as kicking Ireland out of the single market/customs union
Neither of those options are going to happen.If that the case then I can see two options here
A- The UK ends up exploiting this hole within the single market. That will bring the end of the EU.
B- Hard borders is imposed on anything coming out of the ROI which will be pretty much the same as kicking Ireland out of the single market/customs union
The protocol means jack shit if the UK decides to break it left right and center. In such scenario then it will have its market inundated by rubbish. The UK would then become the top smuggler in the world with unrestricted access to the single market without any responsibility or restrictions whatsoever.Think about what you're saying though. Let's imagine that the EU's response to the UK abandoning the protocol would be to kick Ireland out of the single market... that effectively puts a gun to Ireland's head. Each time the UK wanted anything from the EU, it could threaten to trigger Article 16 of the protocol and force Ireland to do its bidding/ wield its veto.
Basic game theory says the EU can't hand the UK such massive power over a member state. They're really not that dumb.
The UK keeps signing treaties despite constantly threatening of breaking international law. Seriously mate how many countries do you think there are who truly care about the GFA?Neither of those options are going to happen.
For certain the EU will not renegotiate the Protocol nor the Withdrawal Agreement nor will Ireland leave the EU or be chucked out.
If the Uk break the protocol or the withdrawal agreement they may as well forget any deal with anyone worldwide. Current deals will probably have terms to cancel them if they break international law.
Sanctions will be imposed on the UK .
Playing to the UK audience is not going to help them in the big wide world.
It is not only international law they would be breaking but British law too; These Brexit liars might just end up behind bars after all.
They threaten a lot of things but don't have the power any more. When they actually break international law, the consequences will be there, The US and the EU are very powerful especially together.The UK keeps signing treaties despite constantly threatening of breaking international law. Seriously mate how many countries do you think there are who truly care about the GFA?
Thy US likely wouldn't bring in further sanctions, but they have said multiple times "there is no chance" (in their words) of a trade agreement with the UK if the GFA is threatened in any way by the actions of the UK.I imagine if the UK did decide to unilaterally suspend parts of the protocol, it would do it through Article 16 and claim just cause, rather than straight up saying "we're breaking international law". How that would go down outside of Europe, I'm not sure. I think America would fully back the EU, though probably not to the extent of implementing trade or diplomatic sanctions.
There's not going to be a meaningful UK-US trade agreement either way.Thy US likely wouldn't bring in further sanctions, but they have said multiple times "there is no chance" (in their words) of a trade agreement with the UK if the GFA is threatened in any way by the actions of the UK.
I don't think Jeffrey Donaldson wanting to be English and Marks & Spencer refusing to put " Only for consumption in Northern Ireland' can be classified a just cause.I imagine if the UK did decide to unilaterally suspend parts of the protocol, it would do it through Article 16 and claim just cause, rather than straight up saying "we're breaking international law". How that would go down outside of Europe, I'm not sure. I think America would fully back the EU, though probably not to the extent of implementing trade or diplomatic sanctions.
We will all soon find out: https://www.theguardian.com/politic...moves-saying-brexit-deal-must-be-renegotiatedI imagine if the UK did decide to unilaterally suspend parts of the protocol, it would do it through Article 16 and claim just cause, rather than straight up saying "we're breaking international law". How that would go down outside of Europe, I'm not sure. I think America would fully back the EU, though probably not to the extent of implementing trade or diplomatic sanctions.
https://www.ft.com/content/e1b98107-bac9-4d3f-a893-fa63cb2eaf3bBrussels has paused legal action against the UK government in an attempt to de-escalate tensions over customs rules on goods entering Northern Ireland.
The European Commission said on Tuesday that it would freeze an infringement process triggered in March over the UK’s breaching of the terms of the post-Brexit Northern Ireland protocol, which requires checks on goods entering Northern Ireland from the UK mainland.
The commission said the pause would help “provide the necessary space to reflect on these issues and find durable solutions to the implementation of the protocol”.
This thing won't be used for trade missions. It'll be used for Tory sex parties.A new national flagship yacht, designed to promote the UK around the globe, will cost up to £250m, the defence secretary has said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58002977
I notice it hasn't been given a name yet. It'll probably be sent around the world to promote UK values and be called "The Colston".Nothing says "fast moving economy" like a slow moving ship that now costs the taxpayer £250 million.
This thing won't be used for trade missions. It'll be used for Tory sex parties.
It is not all about the GFA in isolation.The UK keeps signing treaties despite constantly threatening of breaking international law. Seriously mate how many countries do you think there are who truly care about the GFA?
The "Boris Has A Big Todger" and then they'll say something about playing politics when Labour accuse then of playing politics.I notice it hasn't been given a name yet. It'll probably be sent around the world to promote UK values and be called "The Colston".