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Scoring late winners against bottom half teams doesn’t mean much when you’re one of the main driving factors behind us getting totally outplayed every single game by all these bottom feeders.
That is from the short-term perspective of what happens on Saturday. From a medium/longer term view of building a team with different qualities - getting rid of Bruno would be greatly beneficial.Yes he has been shite. But without him we are even shittier. He needs competition and its not Mason Mount.
Getting rid of the hardest worker and most creative player is not the way to fix this team. He's played far to little in a free 10 role. Bruno is a key player for us and very important for us, even when out of form like now.That is from the short-term perspective of what happens on Saturday. From a medium/longer term view of building a team with different qualities - getting rid of Bruno would be greatly beneficial.
I can’t understand how so many fans are so satisfied with a poorly performing 10 at the heart of the team so long as he can come up with a key pass. Like, to what end are you even satisfied? Where are you expecting this approach to ultimately take us? Because it hasn’t taken us anywhere significant yet, so I don’t get the total refusal from many to even consider that a different approach may help.
Getting rid of him would only be greatly beneficial if we have a proper and better midfielder than him. But alas even Chelsea's golden boy is worse than him at United. There arent a lot of quality midfielders in the world and if there are they join pep baldy or go to spain.That is from the short-term perspective of what happens on Saturday. From a medium/longer term view of building a team with different qualities - getting rid of Bruno would be greatly beneficial.
I can’t understand how so many fans are so satisfied with a poorly performing 10 at the heart of the team so long as he can come up with a key pass. Like, to what end are you even satisfied? Where are you expecting this approach to ultimately take us? Because it hasn’t taken us anywhere significant yet, so I don’t get the total refusal from many to even consider that a different approach may help.
There are a lot of quality midfielders in the world, just not necessarily world class. Look at Bissouma, Joelinton, Bruno Guimaraes, Rodrigo de Paul, Barella, Paqueta etc. Midfielders that ensures the midfield has a certain balance, presence and control without being world class players. We just recruit the wrong players over and over. It's about time we get in midfielders with physicality/strength, good passers and composed with the ball. We don't have a single midfielder like that.Getting rid of him would only be greatly beneficial if we have a proper and better midfielder than him. But alas even Chelsea's golden boy is worse than him at United. There arent a lot of quality midfielders in the world and if there are they join pep baldy or go to spain.
None of them play the same role, but I'd take Bruno over any of them every day of the week. I'd take a couple of them to play next to or behind him though.There are a lot of quality midfielders in the world, just not necessarily world class. Look at Bissouma, Joelinton, Bruno Guimaraes, Rodrigo de Paul, Barella, Paqueta etc. Midfielders that ensures the midfield has a certain balance, presence and control without being world class players. We just recruit the wrong players over and over. It's about time we get in midfielders with physicality/strength, good passers and composed with the ball. We don't have a single midfielder like that.
But why do we need to play with a number 10?None of them play the same role, but I'd take Bruno over any of them every day of the week. I'd take a couple of them to play next to or behind him though.
Do you trust our recruitment and long term planning? Ignoring that getting rid of Bruno right now is mental, we have 0 track record in recent years of being able to replace players with better ones. Why get rid of generally one of our best players for an absolute puntThat is from the short-term perspective of what happens on Saturday. From a medium/longer term view of building a team with different qualities - getting rid of Bruno would be greatly beneficial.
I can’t understand how so many fans are so satisfied with a poorly performing 10 at the heart of the team so long as he can come up with a key pass. Like, to what end are you even satisfied? Where are you expecting this approach to ultimately take us? Because it hasn’t taken us anywhere significant yet, so I don’t get the total refusal from many to even consider that a different approach may help.
Why are you making things up? He is not close to De Bruyne's stats, and De Bruyne offers much more than just creating chances. He is one of the best midfielders to ever play in the PL ffs.Same stats as KDB, but yeah, Bruno needs to be removed so we become a title-winning team. Same people that were saying that Onana was going to revolutionize our playing style. There are dozens of issues with our team and he is at the bottom of that list.
If you compare them in the league for the last 5 seasons.Why are you making things up? He is not close to De Bruyne's stats, and De Bruyne offers much more than just creating chances. He is one of the best midfielders to ever play in the PL ffs.
This comparison just keeps getting more ridiculous.
He is close to KDB's stats (the ones within his control), is better than KDB in some aspects of his game and weaker in others. Bruno also offers much more than 'just' creating chances, which is an extremely valuable quality in itself.Why are you making things up? He is not close to De Bruyne's stats, and De Bruyne offers much more than just creating chances. He is one of the best midfielders to ever play in the PL ffs.
This comparison just keeps getting more ridiculous.
Yeah I've made that comparison for a while now.he really is the russell westbrook of this team. Stats will look good but theres a reason you dont win titles with him.
Please lets not do this again. Bruno isn't close to KDB as an actual player. Yes production wise they are similar, but that's about it.He is close to KDB's stats (the ones within his control), is better than KDB in some aspects of his game and weaker in others. Bruno also offers much more than 'just' creating chances, which is an extremely valuable quality in itself.
Just found this... and the data is taken from Bruno's 'worst period' as a United player.
I was replying to somebody saying "He is not close to KDB's stats". Well actually yes, he is. Secondly, I said that Bruno has some qualities that KDB doesn't have, and vice versa. How is that wrong? The data shows that Bruno is much more involved than KDB defensively, and is available for a lot more minutes.Please lets not do this again. Bruno isn't close to KDB as an actual player. Yes production wise they are similar, but that's about it.
Also if KDB was playing in Bruno's role in our team given the same free roaming license over that time period, his production would be even better. One does it while playing within a successful team system, the other does it by BEING the system.
Post your own stats then, you've got two people posting differently above.There is not a single aspect in the game that Bruno Fernandes is better than De Bruyne, except maybe defensively these days, and that's partly because of De Bruyne's age.
Compare their minutes, and you'll see a huge difference in how much they've played. For the past three seasons, Bruno has played around 1000 minutes more in the PL each season, and yet De Bruyne quite easily outperforms him when it comes to G+A, chances created per 90 and general play.
Post my own stats? They are literally on FBref and fotmob, they are not my stats. They're there for everyone to see. De Bruyne scores more, assists more, creates more chances per 90 and is a much, much better football player overall. What are you even getting at here? Bruno has slightly better npxG + xAg, so that makes him close to De Bruyne statistically?Post your own stats then, you've got two people posting differently above.
Careful now. You’re going to break the brain of the thread village idiot who reckons Bruno is “not close” to De Bruyne. Especially posting per 90 stats like that.He is close to KDB's stats (the ones within his control), is better than KDB in some aspects of his game and weaker in others. Bruno also offers much more than 'just' creating chances, which is an extremely valuable quality in itself.
Just found this on fbref... and the data is taken from Bruno's 'worst period' as a United player, whilst City broke a tonne of records and won the treble.
The data says that Bruno and KDB are both in the top 1% for chance creation, the top 10% for scoring and the top 10% for carries/progression. Both are in the bottom 5% for pass completion (71.8% vs 72.1%) and Bruno is the better player in the defensive phase. (When compared to positional peers, in this case midfielders, from the top 5 leagues)
Sorry @zaafi this has got me howlingCareful now. You’re going to break the brain of the thread village idiot who reckons Bruno is “not close” to De Bruyne. Especially posting per 90 stats like that.
Ah, ol' Pogue with his personal insults. Nice fella. Do you genuinely believe Bruno is close to De Bruyne as a player?Careful now. You’re going to break the brain of the thread village idiot who reckons Bruno is “not close” to De Bruyne. Especially posting per 90 stats like that.
you seem to have a lot of respect on this forum for someone who regularly belittles peopleCareful now. You’re going to break the brain of the thread village idiot who reckons Bruno is “not close” to De Bruyne. Especially posting per 90 stats like that.
Agreed. Opinions that differs from his own is something he takes very seriously, and he just can't help himself but post something degrading. Him being a long time - and frequent - poster on this forum means it is absolutely pointless to report him.you seem to have a lot of respect on this forum for someone who regularly belittles people
Makes no sense, right?you seem to have a lot of respect on this forum for someone who regularly belittles people
I actually laughed at this responseMakes no sense, right?
There's stats on this very page highlighting the blokes opinion is a load of shite. When questioned to produce his own to highlight his opinion, he simply ignores it and continues to waffle on. The above stats show that Bruno has scored the EXACT same as De Bruyne ffs.you seem to have a lot of respect on this forum for someone who regularly belittles people
But look at Bruno’s pass completion percentage! He gives the ball away a lot, whereas if you look at De Bruyne's pass completion percentage it's *checks notes*... lower than Bruno's.There's stats on this very page highlighting the blokes opinion is a load of shite. When questioned to produce his own to highlight his opinion, he simply ignores it and continues to waffle on. The above stats show that Bruno has scored the EXACT same as De Bruyne ffs.
It's this daft extremes people go to. Ss Bruno the same class as De Bruyne? No, but he's not far off it. De Bruyne has played in the best team in Europe for a number of years, of course he's going to have excellent stats. The fact Brunos even remotely near to him despite United playing like utter wank is surely commendable. Instead our fans attack the guy needlessly. It's pathetic. feck those fans.
Yeah but the poster knows how to debate in good faith, shouldn't be referring to them as village idiot surely?There's stats on this very page highlighting the blokes opinion is a load of shite. When questioned to produce his own to highlight his opinion, he simply ignores it and continues to waffle on. The above stats show that Bruno has scored the EXACT same as De Bruyne ffs.
It's this daft extremes people go to. Ss Bruno the same class as De Bruyne? No, but he's not far off it. De Bruyne has played in the best team in Europe for a number of years, of course he's going to have excellent stats. The fact Brunos even remotely near to him despite United playing like utter wank is surely commendable. Instead our fans attack the guy needlessly. It's pathetic. feck those fans.
The issue with Bruno is more where on the pitch he makes those incomplete passes not how manyBut look at Bruno’s pass completion percentage! He gives the ball away a lot, whereas if you look at De Bruyne's pass completion percentage it's *checks notes*... lower than Bruno's.
Can you give a few examples of games in which this has happened? I can't recall many instances where we've conceded a goal as a result of Bruno giving the ball away on the edge of his own box, however you're making it sound like this is a frequent occurrence.The issue with Bruno is more where on the pitch he makes those incomplete passes not how many
If he makes such a pass on the edge of the opponents box that's one thing, but doing the same thing on the edge of our penalty box is much more likely to have a consequential effect
There's stats on this very page highlighting the blokes opinion is a load of shite. When questioned to produce his own to highlight his opinion, he simply ignores it and continues to waffle on. The above stats show that Bruno has scored the EXACT same as De Bruyne ffs.
It's this daft extremes people go to. Ss Bruno the same class as De Bruyne? No, but he's not far off it. De Bruyne has played in the best team in Europe for a number of years, of course he's going to have excellent stats. The fact Brunos even remotely near to him despite United playing like utter wank is surely commendable. Instead our fans attack the guy needlessly. It's pathetic. feck those fans.
On this very same page, you're admitting that Bruno is an issue, yet he is not far off De Bruyne? Do you honestly think he would be an issue if he was close to De Bruyne?He's an issue dont get me wrong, but feck me he's the only one that seems to actually do anything in this team lately.
StamHe’ll move wherever Ronaldo tells him to. If it’s Al Nassr that targets him, I wouldn’t be surprised.
I can’t see United accepting though. We are always stuck in this ‘we’re different, we’re a family club’ type of mentality. Getting rid of a popular big name player who hasn’t kicked up a fuss in order to go a new way hasn’t been done since Kanchelskis/Ince left. The United Way is that all our great servants are welcome to retire with us or decide when they want to leave.
Just using that as an example, not specific instances, because of the way we play he does have a tendency to play risky passes in bad areas which put us on the back foot, KdB not so much - basically pass completion % is a pointless stat without any contextCan you give a few examples of games in which this has happened? I can't recall many instances where we've conceded a goal as a result of Bruno giving the ball away on the edge of his own box, however you're making it sound like this is a frequent occurrence.
ReportedCareful now. You’re going to break the brain of the thread village idiot who reckons Bruno is “not close” to De Bruyne. Especially posting per 90 stats like that.