That statue of Bergkamp really makes the point more perfectly than any comment ever could.
Cüneyt Çakır
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Out of his depth and desperately trying to grab the attention of the masses.
What I want to know is: why is a Turkish part time ref and insurance broker deemed good enough to officiate the biggest club football match in Europe this season?
It would seem it's because UEFA are clueless Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime.
What I want to know is: why is a Turkish part time ref and insurance broker deemed good enough to officiate the biggest club football match in Europe this season?
It would seem it's because UEFA are clueless Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime.
He's obviously highly rated by FIFA/UEFA given that he did last seasons CL semi and the World Club Cup final this year.
Yes - highly rated by clueless Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime. His record against English clubs speaks for itself too.
You clearly don't because consistency is the point.
If one is right and the other is wrong, then he is inconsistent. If he believes the Nani one to be correct, as UEFA does, and Arbeooa to be correct, then he is entirely inconsistent.
Arbeloa should have gone under his tight rules.
Pretty simple. Nothing to do with indignant.
Unless you're arguing consistency. Point being if Arbeloa's isn't, neither is Nani's.
Seriously, this isn't rocket science.
The opinion of a former Turkish referee:
Cakir has all-but-blown his chances of refereeing the final
Cakir has all-but-blown his chances of refereeing the final
Hope that's true. But it is UEFA. They might make him the ref just to make a statement.
Literally the only reason you are bringing it up is because you think it makes the Nani decision worse.
The reason he's made the decision is pretty obvious, its wrong but obvious. If he were to send off Arbeloa there would be consistency, but it would be consistent errors.
It's the old adage that two wrongs do not make a right, just because he got the Nani decision wrong (and even if he looks back on the decision and still thinks he got it right) doesn't mean that Arbeloa's instantly becomes a red card because of that mistake.
I'd take the Uefa statement with a pinch of salt, you can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the only appeal system in place in Uefa competitions is for mistaken identity. They're obviously going to back a referee who has made a decision that can (however tenuously it may be) be justified in the laws of the game to the hilt, I don't know why you'd expect anything else from them.
Incorrect. It would be a consistently tightly called game. Got it?
I thought the Arbeloa could have been a red when I saw it. If it was, I'd have no problem with the Nani one.
It's called consistency and the ref sets it during the game.
This is a problem of inconsistency.
This is very simple to understand.
Literally, you don't reside within my head and should not pretend to.
A criminal, according to one of our fans.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-21687292
(Probably already been posted.)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-21687292
(Probably already been posted.)
No, it's a problem of the referee sending Nani off incorrectly ffs.
You could send a player off every time he committed a foul, if you were so inclined and that would be consistent, but they would all clearly be incorrect decisions. Just because something is consistent doesn't give the referee licence to make incorrect decisions.
If Arbeloa had been sent off and Nani not you would not be in this thread apoplectic with rage at the inconsistency of it all. You don't care that the referee was inconsistent you care that he sent Nani off, you are using 'inconsistency' as a buzzword to attempt to make out United were even harder done by than we were. I don't need to be in your head to tell that.
Lets get it straight, the decision was an aberration and the only people I've seen defending it are those with agendas (Poll, Keane, Uefa) but we don't need to retroactively go back and slate correct decisions because he got the biggest one he had to make wrong.
The decision was 'inconsistent' because it was wrong, where as the others were correct. Consistency should have seen no one sent off, the 'consistency' you are arguing for makes for the worst refereeing performance and a worse game.
I want to dedicate this song to him:
If someone wants to jerk us off, the least they could do is wear a latex glove. It's a heath hazard issue, really.
But if the law says nothing about intent, does this matter?
The serious foul play law mentions "excessive force" as a prerequisite for a sending off.
Other laws mention intent as a factor too, but in general implementation Intent is a factor in most decisions.
It's surely a fake account? I got sucked in with the drama when I was frustrated after the game, but looking at it in context, why the feck would he use photos of himself from google? He surely can't be that lazy.
REFEREE WHO SENT NANI OFF IS A REAL MADRID FAN
ABOVE: Referee Cuneyt Cakir follows Real Madrid on Twitter First we need to establish if it is genuine and has not been interfered with.
A UEFA spokesman
7th March 2013 By Daily Star reporter
FOOTBALL bosses are probing a Twitter account showing that referee Cuneyt Cakir is a Real Madrid fan.
His decision to send off Nani for a high boot sparked Manchester United’s Champions League exit against Real.
The Twitter account in Cakir’s name shows that he only follows 38 pages.
But among them are both Real and their star striker Cristiano Ronaldo, 28, whose winning goal at Old Trafford knocked out United.
Madrid and their Spanish rivals Barcelona are the only non-Turkish clubs his page is linked to.
He also apparently follows the Spanish tourist board’s site which urges supporters: “Get ready for a trip to Spain!’’ Last night Uefa officials were probing the Twitter page to see if it was genuine and breached refs’ guidelines on impartiality.
A spokesman told the Daily Star: “We are aware of it and are looking into it. First we need to establish if it is genuine and has not been interfered with.
“Then we will consult with our referees’ unit to see if any rules* have been breached.”
The Daily Star.
not sure if you use twitter yourself? When you tweet a photo, you use a link on the web to tweet. If you want to use a photo in your own album you still need to upload it to tweet. Using exisiting photos on the web is the easiest/most convenient way on twitter. FB is a different story
No better sign that it's time to move on.
When I read this Cnut has a twitter account showing he's a RM fan, the first thought was the media must be tipped off so as to pick up the story. Credit to the Daily Star reporting this
Arbeloa was clever, he won it for his team. He is the one who knows there is going to be a collision and he got himself in the perfect position to get clobbered.
I'd imagine it's a fake account.
Not really, he had every right to go for that ball (as did Nani) and got caught. He didn't really do anything wrong.
Yeah, i thought this at the time too. All that time that Nani is raising his boot and not seeing Arbeloa, Arbeloa is running towards said raised boot, completely aware of it.
Not having a go at him, obviously - he's entitled to try and win the ball, and if players avoided fouls they'd never get the call. After all, Nani probably should have had a yellow card for it. Just an observation.
So, the argument is that Arbeloa was clever because he tried (and succeeded) getting to the ball first? Isn't that pretty much his job?
you mean apart from rolling around in agony holding his chest when he got touched in the arm? he played for the red
Tbf, Arbeloa would get on like that if he thought he could get a throw in out of it, I doubt even he thought a red was coming.
He took money.
simple.
simple.
Come on
yea I think he was playing for the yellow - everyone looked stunned that the red came out even the madrid players.
I'm fascinated by who would go through so much effort to set up such a boring fake twitter account.
My belief in the matter is simply that he is a crap referee and put in charge of a match well out of his depth.
However, if this whole match fixing scandal in the Champions League does have any legs (it probably doesn't) then United should get this looked at.
However, if this whole match fixing scandal in the Champions League does have any legs (it probably doesn't) then United should get this looked at.
no top ref can be that incompetent.
I dont buy the Real fan bit either. real would not pay an official..unlike some of the Italian clubs....normal business for them.
United were clear favourites to go through. Betting syndicates.
he will get his.
And therein lies the issue, he's a part-time ref from the Turkish league, he's never going to match the standard of referee we expect to see in games like these. Hell, we don't think much of many of our full-time, professional refs that we have in the premier league!
Exactly, no way was that fake, you would have to be on the most boring wum ever.
fair points.
but that is even more cause for concern than less...and even more weight to my suggestion this guy was bought.
United would be well advised to investigate this guy and close associates priavtely of course.
heck...millions were lost because of this one decision.
It would be worth spending a few hundred thousands to find out.