Behave yourself and learn how to understand simple text. Your post is out of context and misses the point by a ridiculous margin.
I am not saying we should try to outplay them without any substance to the team. I am saying we should aim to build a team that can outplay them. Might take a long time but the attitude we should have is to be the absolute best, not merely competitive.
I am not sure if it was the approach or if it was that Bayern have simply been brilliant. We've seen them do that to many top teams but the response from Juve was phenomenal. I've long felt now what on earth do they have to do to be mentioned among the best teams. They were a game away from a treble, dominate one of the top European leagues and are on course for another double and yet seem to be rate behind the likes of Real and PSG for no good reason as far as I am concerned.
Nah, Juve visibly sat off Bayern.
Juve were terribly bad at beating pressing in first half, and even in 2nd had some dodgy transmissions. They didn't just choose to give the ball away.
Which is a flaw that makes them no Barcelona or Bayern. But you can find flaws in Real, PSG, Atlético as well from a weak league to an inability to show authority and impose yourself against the better teams. My point is that their level over last year and this year is on par with those teams and just behind the top two.
I'm not sure. If Bayern simply had 2 fit CBs they would have got away with the win.
Maybe! Atlético have worse players than Real as well and based on league finishes and head to heads, one cannot really argue they are inferior to Real over the past 5 years or so and I do think Juventus have better players than Atlético. As I said earlier, I am looking at the whole package; players, unit, work rate, mentality, flair, consistency, ... . If I consider all of these, I don't see how Juve are behind anyone bar Bayern and Barcelona.
Well, they're comfortably better than all the English clubs at least. Which is staggering given the financial differences between the two leagues
You can always aim high but there is always the risk of getting deluded. Manchester United cannot high aim to be the best of Europe for a long long time. Step by step.
I wouldn't swap the first 3 either either for these matches, maybe Rakitic or Alves.
Obviously my jinx worked
A bit late to answer, was out with friends to watch the game. We sold Kirchhoff at the beginning of January when we had 3 fit centerbacks and the 4th was about to return. It really needed a massive injury crisis like this one for him to get any playing time and I don't think Kirchhoff would have started yesterday anyway, he looked awful everytime he played in the CL for us, even when he was part of a settled defense.
I kinda praised him a bit the last 2 weeks for starting to play well thoughVidal is playing very very well tonight. @Balu gave him some shit, but he is holding the defence together.
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What makes me it a bit odd is that @Kevin used to be a fan of Fellaini's, and used to eulogize his chest control as "scintillating".IIRC Barca's away record under Pep in CL knockouts was pretty bad as well. Very few wins against big teams away from home
Yes, definitely true. I think he tries to play his possession approach in a more cautious way and it often backfires. He doesn't really commit into the strength of his tactics while keeping the ball for the sake of it can easily backfire if you make a single mistake at the back (like Kimmich's slightly miscontroled ball gifted Juve the 1-2 yesterday). At home, the players simply keep the intensity up, attack much more directly in transition and hurt the opponents consistently. Playing it safe through possession is such a dangerous game, it requires absolute flawless execution and every mistake is likely to be a quality chance for the opponent with almost no benefit in attack.
Can't stand it that's why the spanish league is driwel to my eyes..
Tbh it's a generalized behavior. Arsenal (Sanchez specially) were also guilty of throwing themselves on the floor and asking for their opponents' to be booked. It's an ugly side to football that needs to be accepted. My frustration goes beyond watching matches, I actually see similar behavior when I play amateur football. Players diving and doing their best to not get caught cheating. I mean wtf is going with football ?
I never understand these posts. Gosh, why didn't the professional football players and coaches think of this? Someone really ought to tell them.
Nope. Maybe there were one or two instances of Arsenal players going down easily but none of blatant diving like Alba or Rakitic or Alves or Neymar, among others.
While they're at it, tell them Robben is going to cut in from the left and score! Useless nitwits them coaches.
You can take the player out of Barcelona but you can't take Barcelona out of the player.
They didn't even really leave him alone. He played a pass and sprinted to receive the return pass, which Mertesacker duly played.
Nope to what exactly ? You basically agreed with me.
I ended up turning off and watching the Juve - Bayern game, it was far more entertaining.
Alexis was guilty of throwing himself to the floor to get opponents booked? Nope.
That's not what I said but I can understand the confusion. He is a cheat and he likes to wave imaginary cards. Better like this ?
No, he's an Arsenal player. They don't do "blatant diving", only "going down easily". It's not like Robert Pires ever played for them.
Yes, Alves is.
I think Alba and Alves were a whole other level to anything else I've seen away from Costa this season. Could be bias/ emotion of the night talking, but they were shocking.
Ok then.
England = good guys. Spain = bad guys.