They will be above us by the end of the season. Bold moves pay off for sure.They were never getting top 4 under Lampard. Now it looks very likely they will. Right decision to sack him. Bold moves pay off.
The difference a good manager makes (directed at all of Ole fans)
Just what the cafe needs, another thread derailed into an Ole thread.The difference a good manager makes (directed at all of Ole fans)
That was always the worry, them hiring a manager who can gel the first XI. That squad is good enough to win the league next season.They have a quality well balanced squad. Lampard was really under achieving with them.
its brilliant, considering everyone said "theyve played no one yet, the real test is Utd, Atletico, Liverpool" Won2 , drawn 1, 0 goals againstBack in the top 4.
Played Man United, Atletico and Liverpool on the spin and not conceded a goal.
Still a lot to work on but his start has been pretty damn good.
Given his history of signings, you better hope he doesn't bring in his own playersIt was said by myself and some others that our squad, is possibly 2nd best in the league and a top manager with experience could make us a scary prospect.
I think next season is where you'll really see a true Tuchel team, with some of his own signings brought in. Things looking positive so far, though
Our managerial merry go round is brutal, but it works. everyone criticises it, but 9 times out of 10 it brings reward. It's a winning model
To be honest, I don't see which players he should bring in. This squad is almost tailored for Tuchel already. Jorginho, Kovacic, Mount, Havertz, Hudson-Odoi and to a lesser extent even Werner are brillant for him. Pulisic, too.Given his history of signings, you better hope he doesn't bring in his own players
This squad is good enough for second, and a potential title bid in a season where City don't have a good season (I'm not including Liverpool because I think they'l have an overhaul of their squad in the summer and what comes out of it will be uncertain). New signings might be needed in central defense but it would be interesting to see who is in charge of recuirtment given Tuchel's relatively poor transfer record at Dortmund and PSG.
You just jinxed itThey're never going to concede again. And they definitely won't concede in their next game.
I agree with this just now. Don't get me wrong, he's done a good job, I can't take that away from him. I also think Chelsea timed it perfect when they decided to change to give him a welcoming first few fixtures to bed his ideas & build momentum. And as good as results as winning at Spurs & Liverpool are, there probably couldn't be a better time to play them.I'm yet to be convinced personally. He's done a good job up to a point, they have a good system of play and seem to be taking on board his tactical style. Going from that leaky defence under Lampard to the tight one they have now is good work too. But they've been extremely conservative, which is why their defence is looking good, and the result is that they don't look dangerous going forward. I've not seen every game, but I saw the following
vs Spurs - excellent first half where they didnt give Spurs a kick, but were poor second half. Would have conceded if Spurs weren't so awful.
vs Southampton - pretty meh
vs Atletico - the better team, but neither side was very impressive
vs Utd - average
vs Liverpool - good for the win, but Liverpool were woeful and a good team would have spanked them
Not seen any others, but looking at the results nothing jumps out as being remarkable that I've missed.
Granted he's had very little time and taken over in difficult circumstances, so you wouldn't expect Tuchel to have his team purring yet. Im certainly not saying he never will, once he's had a pre-season and a chance to buy his own players he'll have every chance of getting them running in peak form. Indeed this season I think his approach to this phase as manager is very sensible. With so many teams being up and down throughout the season, a solid run based on a good defence where you only need to score the odd goal to get the 3 points could easily keep them in the top 4, maybe even get them to second.
But I think some fans are going overboard. Since he arrived, they've been consistent while others have been very inconsistent. That's different from them being excellent. I think some United fans in particular rate him because there's a sense that he's the anti-Ole, someone who is all about structure, systems and shape, which has always been Ole's biggest weakness. (And also because he's trendy, and managed Dortmund, and all that hipster stuff people care about). For me he's been solid, but not really suggested that he's going to make Chelsea a force just yet.
Can you remember our games and results when Ole first took over. fecking hell this place and the constant drooling over other teams managers is patheticBecause he is not clueless
I do think our situation was massively different though, Mourinho had just finished 2nd with 80+ points, so it absolutely was a capable enough team. Mourinho had also made the place toxic as hell, every single player appeared to hate going to work. Not to take anything away from Ole, I think anyone taking over United then would have gotten the "feck off Mourinho" bounce. Our form at the end of that season proved no doubt that it was a bounce.Can you remember our games and results when Ole first took over. fecking hell this place and the constant drooling over other teams managers is pathetic
I get your point about how bad we fell under mourinho but Chelsea also had great players under frank, to me it looks like he’s lost the dressing room too.I do think our situation was massively different though, Mourinho had just finished 2nd with 80+ points, so it absolutely was a capable enough team. Mourinho had also made the place toxic as hell, every single player appeared to hate going to work. Not to take anything away from Ole, I think anyone taking over United then would have gotten the "feck off Mourinho" bounce. Our form at the end of that season proved no doubt that it was a bounce.
Chelsea players were happy enough still under Lampard, but TT has come in and made some nice subtle changes in the way they play that appear much better suited to the players they have. I don't see Chelsea suddenly going into a drastic drop like we did after a few months.
Come on man, you can't seriously compare Frank leaving Chelsea and Mourinho leaving United? Mourinho was throwing a new player under the bus every week. Hs Frank said a bad word or had a big Pogba style fall out with anyone?I get your point about how bad we fell under mourinho but Chelsea also had great players under frank, to me it looks like he’s lost the dressing room too.
That's what I thought as well.This could become a really terrific team if they do land Sancho.
I’m not comparing them directly no, I just find it funny how our fans can wank themselves silly over a new managers first few games using that as ‘proof’ of what good coaching can do.Come on man, you can't seriously compare Frank leaving Chelsea and Mourinho leaving United? Mourinho was throwing a new player under the bus every week. Hs Frank said a bad word or had a big Pogba style fall out with anyone?
No they have a better manager than we do. Our squad is better. However, their manager is much better than ours.It’s amazing what a positive mentality can do.
Let’s not forget though they probably have the joint 2nd best squad with Liverpool.
I’d say ours is fourth best.
We really lack great ball carriers and technicians, our best is Mason which says a lot.
A player with Grealish technicality and output will really add to us.
Grealish, Haaland and a good winger and we are transformed I think.
Grealish, Rashford, Diallo, Cavani, Haaland, Greenwood, Bruno, James.
I think that’s good enough with Pogba and Martial leaving.
James ideally replaced for a technical right winger, even a 27/28 year old whose very good. Gives good balance.
I think the squads are pretty even in fairness. They had a ban when Ole spent a huge amount and we signed more players for depth when they spent big this summer. If you asked neutrals to make a combined XI it would be very mixed.No they have a better manager than we do. Our squad is better. However, their manager is much better than ours.
The rumour currently has 40% probability on transfermarkt.de (United 30%,Liverpool 38%) last time I checked and the more recent sources, make of that what you will. Predicting Sancho's club next season right now is pretty difficult, IMO. Could be any of those or a completely different club. He might even stay. All I know is in Sancho's place I'd find the Chelsea option really, really tempting and to me they look the most likrly elite club to meet Dortmund's demands in the current situation.That's what I thought as well.
Would be a bold move after buying so many expensive attacking players recently, and I'm far from sure they'd do it. But on the other hand, Sancho has tremendous upsides, both as a player and potential future England star.
So if Haaland isn't available, maybe replacing Ziyech with Sancho and letting the rest fight for their future at the club?
Are they linked at all?
Like a true gentlemanWill finish second.
It's a repetitive cycle. Some United fans for some reason love to go overboard with praising a new manager [or using him as a stick to beat Ole], then other United fans end up almost being pushed into being overly negative about said new manager. It happened with Sarri, Lampard and now Tuchel.People really are like - "see this is what a good manager does for their team."
you guys remember when Ole came and we went on a hugestreak? Did that make him a good manager automatically for you? No - y'all called it - "new manager bounce."
Let's relax. Tuchel is a good manager but let's observe for more than a few games before saying chelsea is now the best team in the league behind city.
No offense but United was quite lucky to go through back then. PSG dominated your team but failed to convert it into goals, especially in the first match if I remember correctly. Also worth mentioning that Neymar was missing and the squad really wasn't that special without him, especially since Mbappe was really bad individually in those games. They still deserved to go through, IMO, and the goal that decided the tie came from a penalty after Kimpembe unintentionally blocked a shot with his hand that would've went 5 metres over the goal anyway. The team who wins is right ultimately, but the coaching duel at least from my perspective went to Tuchel.I love the short memories on here. This is a manager Ole dumped out of Europe with a bunch of kids and 10 senior players injured a few yrs ago and also beat them again this season in Paris.
We could have hired Tuchel at start of the season and I don't think we'd be any higher than 2nd in league. And his football so far at Chelsea has been pretty dull too so you can't even make a case for better football.