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The article further leads me to believe it's going to be a US consortium, perhaps one of those that got passed on during the Chelsea sale. By far the worst outcome, in my opinion. I mean, if Todd Boehly was the best of that bunch... What a terrifying prospect! 
I'd sooner take a gamble on Ratcliffe's supposed fondness of the club than any more Americans. Please, no, not again.
Also, both the valuation and the timetable just sound unrealistic to me. I'm assuming the quoted fee includes absolutely everything - debt, pledged investment, Glazer cut, etc. Anyhow, it doesn't seem like we will get anything more tangible until January at least. Interesting times, though.
I'd sooner take a gamble on Ratcliffe's supposed fondness of the club than any more Americans. Please, no, not again.Also, both the valuation and the timetable just sound unrealistic to me. I'm assuming the quoted fee includes absolutely everything - debt, pledged investment, Glazer cut, etc. Anyhow, it doesn't seem like we will get anything more tangible until January at least. Interesting times, though.
That Athletic article got more and more depressing the more you read on
Starts with hope that United could be sold in the next couple of months
Then by the end its simply "no state is buying you, if the Glazers even do sell it'll just be a part of the club to some greedy americans, the stadium is too expensive, no takeover will fix your decline, nobody cares about you and you're all going to die one day"
Starts with hope that United could be sold in the next couple of months
Then by the end its simply "no state is buying you, if the Glazers even do sell it'll just be a part of the club to some greedy americans, the stadium is too expensive, no takeover will fix your decline, nobody cares about you and you're all going to die one day"
To be fair they’re football journos. They may have sources for transfer rumours but big brains in business they are not. Maybe they should have left this alone
Why do you care ffs? His way to write. Read or ignore and move on.
Who rattled your cage? I was asking them a question, butt out.
Because it is a silly subject to discuss for 2 days in a thread supposed to be about the selling of the club not about "how to write a post". Just accept his style of writing and if you dont like it put him on ignore.
We need a big boss oil tycoon...Beckham, Sir Alex, Cantona, Rio - feck it pay Ronaldo to do it too - should be out in the Middle East trying to find us a Sheikh.
Discuss for 2 days what are you on about? I just noticed it and asked them a question. This exchange between you and I is now multiples times longer than the one question I asked the original poster.
If my question pissed you off that much for some strange reason then follow your own advice.
I havent read it but what makes you think a US consortium is likely?The article further leads me to believe it's going to be a US consortium, perhaps one of those that got passed on during the Chelsea sale. By far the worst outcome, in my opinion. I mean, if Todd Boehly was the best of that bunch... What a terrifying prospect!
Also, both the valuation and the timetable just sound unrealistic to me. I'm assuming the quoted fee includes absolutely everything - debt, pledged investment, Glazer cut, etc. Anyhow, it doesn't seem like we will get anything more tangible until January at least. Interesting times, though.
Can anyone give highlight of the athletic article please? Are we being linked to any buyers?
Nobody is stupid enough to buy us at a 6-7b valuation.
This family of scum leeches needs to be realistic and let us go for 3bn. 4bn if they are lucky and find an oil sheikh.
This family of scum leeches needs to be realistic and let us go for 3bn. 4bn if they are lucky and find an oil sheikh.
$6-7bn maybe but that amount in pounds is just daylight robbery
its possible if we get more than one oil state that really wants us
otherwise I doubt it too
the Glazers are selling from a position of weakness, which is obviously what they always wanted to avoid
Hints towards American investors. Claims Qatar sees PL clubs as too expensive. Rules out Oman, Kuwait and Bahrain.
It says no serious offers have emerged yet, names a few people who could theoretically be interested, says Ratcliffe is expected to enter the running and "multiple experts" have cast doubts on potential nation state ownership.
If Amazon do buy us, I expect it will be part of their data from the prime football games. I reckon they'll want sole ownership of our streaming rights.
Amazon have good ideas for the whole streaming footy games business. By far the best thing they added was the option to turn their sub par commentary off.
That's one I can see gathering pace over these weeks/months. Seems inevitable they'll want to purchase a football team soon as they seem to be dipping their toe further and further into football. They can buy one with ridiculous ease financially. And they have the means to make loads of money from owning a popular football club with their streaming/coverage/sponsorship etc. And no team is more talked about than United
“Amazon declined to comment on rumour and speculation.”
This part of the article for me wasn't clear. Did it mean Amazon just aren't interested and won't comment on rumour and speculation? Or, they are interested but won't comment on rumour and speculation?
Apple not being interested was quite clear.
Just a standard thing people say when they don’t want to discuss it but the positive would be they didn’t distance or rule it out.
I want to lean to this side of optimism but I don't want to be left heartbroken.
But yeah, after reading the article, there were no clear candidates as to who would purchase us. But it also did say there will be people involved who have not been spoken about yet, which is what I think. The likes of Apple, Ortega, US consortium, Middle East, etc, rumours help The Raine Group bump up the value of United. So we always have to be cautious about who are the genuine interested party, and who The Raine Group put out there as rumour.
- Raine are aiming for a sale in the first quarter of 2023 at a price between £6bn and £7bn (but this is probably bluster - realistic timeline is likely to be much longer and realistic price somewhat lower)
- Amazon rumoured to have some interest, but failed BSkyB bid in 1999 might scare away media companies
- Apple not interested at all
- Clothing company Zara not interested at all
- Serious offers to Raine are yet to materialise
- It is not thought that any nation states will come forward with an offer. The view in Qatar is that Premier League clubs are now too expensive and most of their value has already been extracted. Dubai are focussed on tourism (and Al Maktoum is a Liverpool fan), Bahrain are focussed on F1 and their economy is struggling, Kuwait and Oman don't have any interest
- US-based consortium is reckoned to be the most likely potential investors, possibly acquiring a minority stake at the club initially if the outright price is too high
Amazon are far more likely to bid for the EPL streaming rights for Amazon Prime and there might be a conflict of interest if they buy us.
The leeches are too greedy... After wrecking the club they want up to 7bn. That'll price everyone out.
I think wel get a lot of bites regardles
Yeah, this I agree with. Not too sure how all the legalities would work but I'm guessing there would be ways around it, otherwise, why would they even be mentioned?
One thing I loved about watching ATP tennis on Amazon UK - the stream was virtually real-time and was comparable with my live-scoring app which itself is on point.
I've never watched a stream, paid or otherwise, that felt like watching real terrestrial TV. Something that seems obvious but it seems companies still cannot figure out or are not bothered about.
I also like their interface, generally and how well it works on stuff like the Amazon Fire Stick (although that might be getting scrapped alongside a host of their hardware products).
I've never watched a stream, paid or otherwise, that felt like watching real terrestrial TV. Something that seems obvious but it seems companies still cannot figure out or are not bothered about.
I also like their interface, generally and how well it works on stuff like the Amazon Fire Stick (although that might be getting scrapped alongside a host of their hardware products).
Separately, I didn't see mention that in the summaries above that the two leading rats approached Apollo for a buy-out of the siblings and were turned down.
Seems like even their mates in the industry are onto them.
Seems like even their mates in the industry are onto them.
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The most important sentence in the article is actually this:
"These are early days, though, and there is a school of thought that Raine wants to keep genuine bidders out of public discourse."
IE Even if it was a state or a consortium or a corporate, Athletic wont know.
"These are early days, though, and there is a school of thought that Raine wants to keep genuine bidders out of public discourse."
IE Even if it was a state or a consortium or a corporate, Athletic wont know.
I suppose it's part of the negotiation cycle from the sellers, but 7Bn seems very unrealistic. They'll like get a much lower quote, and then meet somewhere in the middle.
I'm not really in favor of a group of investors or companies like Apple/Amazon buying United. They will ultimately make it all about investment, and will want a good profit in return. The investors would be even worse, since they could just leech us out even more and then sell to someone for profit.
I'm not really in favor of a group of investors or companies like Apple/Amazon buying United. They will ultimately make it all about investment, and will want a good profit in return. The investors would be even worse, since they could just leech us out even more and then sell to someone for profit.
Both are bad but actually I'd argue their greediness might be good for us.
If someone less obscenely wealthy bought, we might be another leeching investment. If someone puts in a £5/6bn bid, they'd need to have a long-term to make the asset worth 12bn over 10/15/20 years. This almost guarantee investment and good management because they won't be able to cruise to that valuation, like the Glazer rats.
Yeah, I do agree with this, too.
There could be a lot of PR being played. Currently a lot of rumours that the price could be £7bn. However, if whoever buys the club and pays less, may want to project it as they got a good deal?!
They might want it but there’s absolutely zero chance that they get it.
That mention of "£6-£7bn" is so infuriatingly meaningless. The club is worth what it is worth. Not a unknown inbetween the Glazers hope someone who doesnt care about that extra billion is willing to pay.
For an extra billion you can buy fun things like: The Mona Lisa, shit all over it, hang it back in the Louvre, and still have money left to buy Balmoral Castle. You could buy one of the biggest superyatchs in the world, 60% of all NHL teams or Electricity for a week.
For once, The Glazers shenanigans will come to bite them in the ass. Whatever money they are getting for the club comes out of the debt they saddled the club with. A owner will buy the asset, not the debt.
For an extra billion you can buy fun things like: The Mona Lisa, shit all over it, hang it back in the Louvre, and still have money left to buy Balmoral Castle. You could buy one of the biggest superyatchs in the world, 60% of all NHL teams or Electricity for a week.
For once, The Glazers shenanigans will come to bite them in the ass. Whatever money they are getting for the club comes out of the debt they saddled the club with. A owner will buy the asset, not the debt.
Prospective owners will probably look at the last set of quarterly results and wait a bit longer until the Glazers and the club really start feeling the pain, bringing the asking price down.
probably because they haven't had any yet at the amount they want
I've always felt this too up until the last year or so when watching sports at my location, but now its just 100% comparable to a sat channel or cable tv. Some have to catch up, but within shortly I think all streams will be on par if not better than the alternatives. IP TV is already pushing cable TV/sat options, and that is basically a stream.
To be fair, Amazon's a far more believing link than Apple.
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