Wouldn't have thought so, unless Ratcliffe has found a way to appease the Class A shareholders.
My gut feeling is that if Ratcliffe changed his bid, Qatar would up theirs too, which is what i think the Glazers are banking on
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My gut feeling is that if Ratcliffe changed his bid, Qatar would up theirs too, which is what i think the Glazers are banking on
Yeah it's progress but as I said already I still have concerns about how much Ratcliffe has to invest in Carrington and ground
If Ratcliffe gets the nod, which I don't believe he will, he can implement changes to the training facilities and Old Trafford gradually. There's no need to immediately rebuild both.
The Glazers have themselves invested (the club's money, of course) into improving both on this basis.
Work to be done absolutely, but it isn't the most immediate concern.
I have read your stuff in the past. You seem to have good instincts. Tell me what you think may happen and possibly when?
It is notable how both bidders seem determined not to pay more than their current offers, despite seeming so desperate to purchase the club and the fact they are already paying way over market value anyway.
For example, would the public sneering or hit to their own finances really be so bad for Qatar if they upped their bid from £5bn to £6bn?
It's possible both parties are co-opting the negativity surrounding the club in order to ease a way in, but it does increase the stalemate.
Glazers wait. Ineos wait. Qatar wait. Each waiting for the other to make the move.
No one wants to be seen a sucker and a mark, the price is already too rich as it is.
And both bidders know they're the only clients in the line, no need to kill each other. Seems INEOS is content with its position (Longer odds but ideally placed for some potential marginal scenarios that could happen).
Really feel like the ball has been in Glazers court for a while.
This is so tiresome. Both bidders are aware of the clubs position and know the Glazers are running out of rope. The Glazers know their only bargaining tool is to act like they don’t need to sell (because they “love” the club) in hope someone's ups the bid.
I don’t see that happening. Glazers really should have put a pin in this if the bids haven’t met their target. IMO Saying nothing weakens their, already weak, position. It suggests even though they want more they aren’t willing to walk away from the table… they’re hoping silence will prove effective but the bidders seem more savvy than that and are playing the long game.
I don’t see that happening. Glazers really should have put a pin in this if the bids haven’t met their target. IMO Saying nothing weakens their, already weak, position. It suggests even though they want more they aren’t willing to walk away from the table… they’re hoping silence will prove effective but the bidders seem more savvy than that and are playing the long game.
Yeah surely one of them is gonna have to back down on that stance if they want to win
Sir Jim will inherit some of the same challenges that the Glazers have created.
1. He will need to pay dividends to keep the Class A group happy, if that is really possible, if they miss out on what you would think was their dream scenario, doubling their share value, they will need convincing.
2. Because of the Class A group Sir Jim is unlikely to just hand over money, this would mean he loses 33% to the class A shareholders in addition to any remnant Glazers.
3. The main way he would be able to add investment, to the club, would be to give soft loans to the company, repayable if he sells etc. Someone with experience of such finance may be able to clarify. So this may be the Old Trafford/training ground stuff.
On the other hand he can write off his share of losses/soft loans against his Ineos profits but it all appears very complicated.
At this point I don't really care who wins, just feck off and leave you parasites.
The same here. I just want the fecking leaches out.
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Yep, they're holding the major asset. Record sponsorship deal in the pipeline.
Either Qatar up their bid, or it's over for them. Ineos will remain until they do (and will).
If Qatar retreat, the Glazers can justify Ineos to the Class A parasites.
Protests going nowhere.
Same now for the last few months.
It's a relief to hear that the Glazers are patiently waiting for the right offer to come in.
The never ending nightmare. It’s clear at this point the Glazers are happy to hold firm and not do anything until the bidders either up their offer or pull out, until then we’ll be stuck in limbo.
Let's see who blinks first.
Glazers happy to wait for higher bids.
F92 confident they probably won't be outbid no matter what.
INEOS knowing that if F92's offer collapse, they're the only option to fall back to.
They call it a Wall Street standoff ?
"Go on Godzilla, make the people happy and destroy the financial district."
F92 confident they probably won't be outbid no matter what.
INEOS knowing that if F92's offer collapse, they're the only option to fall back to.
They call it a Wall Street standoff ?
"Go on Godzilla, make the people happy and destroy the financial district."
2032: Glazers are remaining very patient in their coffins.
Hopefully I will still be alive to see a conclusion to this saga. At 42 years old though it’s not guaranteed.
It's OK, I can play Star Citizen once it comes out, will keep me busy waiting the sale.
‘Very patient people’ 
that’s one way of putting it!
that’s one way of putting it!‘Very patient people’
Yeah they spelt cnuts wrong!
Very pathologically greedy and grotesque, not very patient people...
The Glazers probably haven't blinked in 20 years
This is an accurate analogy. This is still going to get done imo, but there are serious questions remaining about when, and to whom. Very frustrating for us.Glazers happy to wait for higher bids.
F92 confident they probably won't be outbid no matter what.
INEOS knowing that if F92's offer collapse, they're the only option to fall back to.
They call it a Wall Street standoff ?
"Go on Godzilla, make the people happy and destroy the financial district."
In this standoff, it remains to be seen who are the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.
This is an accurate analogy. This is still going to get done imo, but there are serious questions remaining about when, and to whom. Very frustrating for us.
In this standoff, it remains to be seen who are the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.
fixed it for you:
the bad (Qatar), the ugly (INEOS) & the worst (Glazers).
It has gotten to be like a bad dream everything going on with this club in recent years, just let this be done ASAP, was hoping for it to be done and sorted before the end of the year but that is an extreme pipe dream!
Nick Speed has thrown in the towel
Billionaire Ratcliffe’s Man Utd Cash Fountain Is Sputtering
With chemical markets in recession, Ineos’s majority owner may have to go easy on dividends.
With chemical markets in recession, Ineos’s majority owner may have to go easy on dividends.
I believe they’re really holding out for more money based off how the game is going, the amount of money coming in, the Saudis, the CWC money, the CL, and ultimately the back door into a super league. This has been what it’s all about. Those very public pictures of CEO’s and owners in a restaurant during the SL debates and now that that money had dried up for now, they’re looking at it from another angle of back door politics and brown envelopes. Can’t see is being sold this side of Christmas or possibly at all.
I’ve seen on another rumour site that Ratcliffs offer is more attractive to the Glazers as his offer will keep them involved, but the issue is about the shares with voting rights.
That’s information that has never been discussed in this thread, thanks for sharing
2087 pages on this thread, a newbie gives some info and gets this response.. helpful
When sarcasm is done right, it's glorious
The only thing worse than the Glazers is the cycling guru, Ratcliffe and the Glazers.
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