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Surely the FA should block this as a conflict of interests?
What a damn mess.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Surely the FA should block this as a conflict of interests?
What a damn mess.
Well when they are you should come and watch the mighty Alport give them a beating.
I don't know, it depends on how they want it to be. But it's important to keep in mind that it's a non issue. Under the the current ownership the club football budget as not gone under 94% of the club's revenue.
The mental image of a Qatari-owned Spuds losing to an INEOS-owned Man Utd with the INEOS logo plastered all over the Spuds bench is doing it for me.
It would be a pretty big stretch. Ineos Grenadier sponsoring Tottenham isn't exactly a big deal.
It is not speculation
I might have missed an official statement then.
I was thinking back in time. If sir.Ratcliffe was taken over United.
Could he make Nice to Manchester United's farmer club?
And do Uefa rules allow that? That a person or owner own two football club in Europe?
And reason why Nice should produce and sell top talents to United?
+ First of course. You save a lot of money. Instead of spending 80 -100 mill Euros on top talents. Like Bellingham, Caicedo or whatever.
I am not sure and haven't heard what Bellingham said was the main reason why he joined Dortmund. But i do believe regular first team football and playing time was the main reason he choosed Dortmund over United and others big clubs.
Because of that time. If I don't rememeber wrong. United couldn't promise him regular first team football. I don't think it were about the money and the history of the club.
But it was regular first team football.
So if sir.Ratcliffe is making Nice to become a strong club that attract top talents like Dortmund, RB Leipzing or Red Bull Salzburg.
Bellingham went to Dortmund
Haaland went first to Salzburg. Later to Dortmund and City.
So if Nice as a football club can give top talents regular first time football. Like top talents joining Dortmund or Leipzig from Red Bull Salzburg, at some stage.
From Nice to Manchester United.
Or in premier league and England.
Brighton is a club like Red Bull Salzburg, Dortmund and Leipzig. They bought and get top talents on really low price tag. I will use cheap price if someone get offend of it. Low price, then sell a lot more than they paid for.
So if Nice can be that club for United. The club where the top talents take the second last step, before they take the last step by joining one of the biggest club.
I think a lot of millions will be save here.
So again. Do Uefa allow that? A business and transfer between clubs what own by the same owner?
And Nice i think and can be on the same league level as Bundesliga. Maybe second best team in Bundesliga like Dortmund and Leipzig are on really high level. Both in champion league level?
Nice and French league does has a high level. When it come to pace and skills.
And many top talents does rise up every years. Special CB and attacking players.
And playing regular first team football for Nice. Like above. Not as high as Dortmun and Leipzig. But Nice, Lyon and Lille are not far behind those second best clubs like Leipzig and Dortmund. Selling clubs.
So i do believe. Nice and French top football is a good plattform for top talents who want regular first team football. A place where they develop and take the last step to the highest level of football.
Manchester United as club can and do not has time to give them to develop. Even at that time i beleive Belligham was good enough for United XI, regular.
But the expectations of Manchester United vs Nice, Dortmund, The red bull clubs are different.
But we are in the period where those Red Bull clubs + Dortmund. Attract the best and top talents. So it is something we just have to accept. When peoples, clubs and groups are in their golden era. Nothing much others peoples can do. Against and already written manusscript.
And does Sir Ratcliffe owner some part of Mercedes. And it looks like he is competing with Red Bull company, in football too.
Could he make Nice to Manchester United's farmer club?
And do Uefa rules allow that? That a person or owner own two football club in Europe?
And reason why Nice should produce and sell top talents to United?
+ First of course. You save a lot of money. Instead of spending 80 -100 mill Euros on top talents. Like Bellingham, Caicedo or whatever.
I am not sure and haven't heard what Bellingham said was the main reason why he joined Dortmund. But i do believe regular first team football and playing time was the main reason he choosed Dortmund over United and others big clubs.
Because of that time. If I don't rememeber wrong. United couldn't promise him regular first team football. I don't think it were about the money and the history of the club.
But it was regular first team football.
So if sir.Ratcliffe is making Nice to become a strong club that attract top talents like Dortmund, RB Leipzing or Red Bull Salzburg.
Bellingham went to Dortmund
Haaland went first to Salzburg. Later to Dortmund and City.
So if Nice as a football club can give top talents regular first time football. Like top talents joining Dortmund or Leipzig from Red Bull Salzburg, at some stage.
From Nice to Manchester United.
Or in premier league and England.
Brighton is a club like Red Bull Salzburg, Dortmund and Leipzig. They bought and get top talents on really low price tag. I will use cheap price if someone get offend of it. Low price, then sell a lot more than they paid for.
So if Nice can be that club for United. The club where the top talents take the second last step, before they take the last step by joining one of the biggest club.
I think a lot of millions will be save here.
So again. Do Uefa allow that? A business and transfer between clubs what own by the same owner?
And Nice i think and can be on the same league level as Bundesliga. Maybe second best team in Bundesliga like Dortmund and Leipzig are on really high level. Both in champion league level?
Nice and French league does has a high level. When it come to pace and skills.
And many top talents does rise up every years. Special CB and attacking players.
And playing regular first team football for Nice. Like above. Not as high as Dortmun and Leipzig. But Nice, Lyon and Lille are not far behind those second best clubs like Leipzig and Dortmund. Selling clubs.
So i do believe. Nice and French top football is a good plattform for top talents who want regular first team football. A place where they develop and take the last step to the highest level of football.
Manchester United as club can and do not has time to give them to develop. Even at that time i beleive Belligham was good enough for United XI, regular.
But the expectations of Manchester United vs Nice, Dortmund, The red bull clubs are different.
But we are in the period where those Red Bull clubs + Dortmund. Attract the best and top talents. So it is something we just have to accept. When peoples, clubs and groups are in their golden era. Nothing much others peoples can do. Against and already written manusscript.
And does Sir Ratcliffe owner some part of Mercedes. And it looks like he is competing with Red Bull company, in football too.
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How do you know it's possible?
Because it is not illegal??
Tier one reports and multiple credible journalists have said they have knowledge that he has footballing control should he be voted in. You won't hear anything official until the board has voted in and we get more clarity.
If you see a lot of changes in staff you know what to believe.
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It is a bit yeah, but I was just trying to interpet it.
Definitely unheard of though
I'm aware mate which is why I wrote investment in inverted commas.
Feels an overly pessimistic take for me.
There's no reason a businessman (and supposed lifelong fan, who knows) would spend more than a billion quid to simply carry on with the status quo.
Sure, there won't be the same all incompassing changes promised by Jassim - who knows how that would have played out anyway. PSG are hardly a glittering success story.
But I'd be very surprised if the footballing management structure wasn't massively shaken up, which is likely to lead to at least a marginal improvement given how badly we're run at present. Don't forget how much money we generate on our own. We don't really need oil money to compete if we're smart about it. Liverpool being a prime recent example.
Talk of the likes of Mitchell and Edwards at DOF is very promising for me, though that Brailsford's track record does look mixed at best.
I think a balanced view is cautious optimism, as new hands on the footballing wheel is what we've needed more than anything given how strong our commercial arm is anyway. Though I'm certainly not expecting the same level of change we've seen at Newcastle & City during their takeovers.
Real didn't tear their stadium down, neither have Liverpool and Barcelona are planning a renovation as well.
Good luck with the next club you choose to support.
Agreed. Reading this thread I honestly think this might be one of the biggest misconceptions on the caf. The Glazers don't seem to do anything directly, they appoint a figurehead they trust and then, by all accounts, aren't involved in the day to day or how we operate. They care about the financial performance and have control of budgets but the issues we face as a club are decisions made by others. They are enablers, that is for sure, and ultimately choose the CEO but they are completely disinterested outside of the numbers. Even if Sir Jim is average, having at least a whiff of an interest in actually how we operate will be an improvement.
Your right but then what makes you think he would be good at United if he’s never had this level of club. We require a different level of player at this level. As I’ve said already I don’t want the direct who picks out the new Caicedo. I want the direct who identifies Rodri. We need players that will have immediate impact at the top level with the right age profile.
Monaco from reports wasn’t that impressive and they have improved since he’s left. I was all for Mitchell years ago but I think we can do a lot better and we are setting our sites at has bins with no actual real credibility at the top top level or recent success.
He doesn't run them, he makes the decisions, just like anyone else who runs large corporations
Just sponsoring, non influence. Although it’s pretty stupid, it’s not a problem i guess.
Especially when it is a new multi use venue.
No one can really be sure if we have outspent City over the last decade as there are still question marks over how much City have actually spent, what I do know is if SJR is successful he would be able to open up some new revenue streams for the club through INEOS and its partners.
It would all be subject to board approval. Given the yes men/people at the club, I doubt many would revolt against Murtough or Fletcher. Ratcliffe taking over football operations is a pitch to the board nothing more.
You don't really know the capacity Mitchell would join at - but generally speaking if he was capable of collaborating with his peers and help getting the likes of VVD, Mane, Alderweirald, Vertonghen, Son at their pomp (all good enough to play for a title winning team in their own right) then you'd imagine he's good at identifying a solid player or two.
@Adnan made a good point that it's not a single person but a collaborative that makes an impact. He knows about footballing structures better than most in the forum, and Mitchell can be a valuable asset in the right structure.
Your Rodri point is a bit bizarre, he wasn't 'identified', but was already known quantity in football (like Diaz). He also joined a well oiled machine which makes his transition mountains easier than Caceido.
Re. his Monaco stint, as I say it wasn't a bed of roses but you'll struggle to find a footballing head who hasn't struggled.
It seems that Jassim's bid never got anywhere because it was predicated on agreeing a fee then subtracting an amount equal to the debt and use that to pay it off. That was obviously never going to work with the Glazers as they don't see it as their debt, from day one when these cnuts first darkened United's door. Their plan was always to load a debt onto United and never repay it themselves.
They are basically printing money. But of course Qatar have this unknown ability of buying things which aren’t for sale.
The things people believe at times…
Buy an Arsenal kit for yourself as well. Maybe if they struggle again like they also did in the last ten years you can just find another club.
I have been massively against Jim and his ownership and ultimately I think it will be a failure but I’ll put my negativity to one side and try to come up with some possible positives:
The Nice connection could be good. France have a history of bringing through some great players we should be aiming for the best young prospects from within France and world football and using Nice to help develop those players.
I want to see Murtough and Arnold gone. I believe these 2 muppets are the clubs biggest problem. Jim having sporting control should sack these on day 1 and bring in some proper best in class football personnel to those roles. The amount of money wasted at this club is a disgrace for the squad we currently have.
Obviously full ownership I want the Hills Have Eyes cast removed asap it’s been long enough.
Rumours of OT’s renovation still being on the cards and a capacity increase to 90k. This would be amazing.
The Nice connection could be good. France have a history of bringing through some great players we should be aiming for the best young prospects from within France and world football and using Nice to help develop those players.
I want to see Murtough and Arnold gone. I believe these 2 muppets are the clubs biggest problem. Jim having sporting control should sack these on day 1 and bring in some proper best in class football personnel to those roles. The amount of money wasted at this club is a disgrace for the squad we currently have.
Obviously full ownership I want the Hills Have Eyes cast removed asap it’s been long enough.
Rumours of OT’s renovation still being on the cards and a capacity increase to 90k. This would be amazing.
The shock when our academy starts feeding Nice
I believe at least 75% of the board need to vote in favor for it to be approved and there are 11 people on the board which are the 6 Glazers plus Sir Alex, Sir Bobby, David Gill, Richard Arnold, and John Edelson.
You do a very good impression of one though.
All depends on how much money everyone is getting.
He seems to have this Ralf Rangnick myth about him where he gets credit for things he didn’t do. He wasn’t At Southampton when they got VVD. But sure yeah add it to his CV.
The Rodri thing is my whole point. We don’t need to get the worlds best unknown players. Just the right players from what is already well established, at the right age profiles. We need the DoF who’s going to do that.
Which was my point, effectively it looks like Jim is gonna take all the flack if he takes over the football side and it fails
What do you mean?
I think what is pretty clear is Ratcliffe and his guys will throw out a lot of these footballing heads
Every single one of them are glazer patsies including Sir Alex, a shame considering the impact his words would have if he was against the glazer ownership.
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