Would you walk away from your business with around a £750m cash out or just carry on running it and taking an annual dividend? Most rational people choose the former not the latter, they are definitely going.
Club Sale | It’s done!
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Of course it but isn’t the saying any publicity is good publicityI don’t think it’s good publicity
Yeah still thinking they will find a way to hang on. Season ticket pricing and appt of director of football operations worries me, as does the statement from Raine.
Pure speculation but you can be assured that the leeches would never go without a fight.
I can still dislike state ownership and still think their bid is the better one for our club. If Jimbo was proposing to buy 100% with no debt at all, I would back his bid, but he isn't. All I want is for United to be totally free of debt, whether that is United owned or Ineos owned.
The horse has bolted with regard to state ownership, there is no going back now.
Because Manchester is dynamite.
I know I shouldnt be, but it still feckin pisses me off that they will even get a pound from a sale (let alone close to 5bn, or even the option to negotiate that to a higher price)
The fact that theyve put nothing in to get the club, (basically made the club pay for it the loan and put it into debt), then took out money year upon year in the millions, hired failure after failure and just let the club fall behind still disgusts me.
I seriously cant think of an equivalent of this given how fecked up the whole thing is. Its basic robbery, that was legalised somehow.
Ugh, feck the Glazers.
With regards to new owners, hopefully its put under complete scrutiny. Ideally you want somebody that clears debt, and just lets the club sustain itself through being a juggernaut. Thats a dream, so then you look at who can afford to do what we all want, and the problem is everybody that can help us is going to be shady. So do we go with the least shady one (which will still be shady) or if we are going to be criticised regardless do we go for the one thats best for the future and development of United.
The fact that theyve put nothing in to get the club, (basically made the club pay for it the loan and put it into debt), then took out money year upon year in the millions, hired failure after failure and just let the club fall behind still disgusts me.
I seriously cant think of an equivalent of this given how fecked up the whole thing is. Its basic robbery, that was legalised somehow.
Ugh, feck the Glazers.
With regards to new owners, hopefully its put under complete scrutiny. Ideally you want somebody that clears debt, and just lets the club sustain itself through being a juggernaut. Thats a dream, so then you look at who can afford to do what we all want, and the problem is everybody that can help us is going to be shady. So do we go with the least shady one (which will still be shady) or if we are going to be criticised regardless do we go for the one thats best for the future and development of United.
As in the area I live in was gentrified. I can’t do much about that.
It’s really funny that the share price kept on going up with all the talk of them selling then drops again when there’s suspicion they might not. Clearly shows the faith people have in them.
I’ve worked in a company that was being taken over and people in senior positions still get appointed under the then old regime. Hiring freeze doesn’t always happen.
That new director of operations seems like a general logistics role anyway. You just get TUPEd across and keep the exact same working contract as you previously had. All that changes is the employer name in the small print.
That new director of operations seems like a general logistics role anyway. You just get TUPEd across and keep the exact same working contract as you previously had. All that changes is the employer name in the small print.
What area do you live in?
I agree. I hope it’s just them posturing to try and get some more money out of the interested parties.
You could sell and move out in protest of the blood money and donate the difference between pre-ME value and todays' value to a charity.
That is how stupid this argument is yes.
Ok, apologies. I read it like you took advantage of that by choice.
Fair enough! I do get that!
You know he won’t do that
How ridiculous of me !You know he won’t do that
I’ve noticed the term “whataboutism” has now become a life boat for people whose moral high ground starts taking on water. So you’re not actually outraged by violation of human rights. Let them all get slaughtered as long as it’s not a rich Arab trying buy United that’s doing the slaughtering.
Of course he won't and I really don't expect him to. But I feel this whole OMG blood money coming-in is a bit of a hypocrisy and matter of convenience.You know he won’t do that
Are you not horrified by the actions of the US government? Do you not find them despicable?
So you have literally benefited financially from ME investment
Yes that’s the point I’m trying to make
Why do you still support United then?
is it? The Glazers have spent a good fair amount under their tenure/after Fergie.
they’ve generally spent it badly, but now we have a new setup - a great manager and a better negotiater for transfers. So keep spending the same and we could see a great next 10 years. Its not Woodward at the wheel anymore.
Glazers are cnuts but the current setup is actually not bad. They’ve finally got the employments right with hiring Ten Hag, buying Casemiro, Martinez, etc.
When did the US Govt purchase United?
So why are we comparing the Qatar bid with the USA then?
And what can we do about this?
Fantastic breakdown, I really appreciate it.
Like yourself, another poster has broken down the figures, and none of them stack up for the Glazers to stay.
They're not in the best place to negotiate. It will come down to how desperate the buyer is to get United.
Maybe I'm a few hundred pages late to the party?
Don’t try and apply logic to the situation mate.
I would support United if Dick Chaney himself was the club’s owner, while still detesting his actions as a war criminal.
You mean the son of the ex Qatar Prime Minister? From the ruling family?
We’re pointing out (over and over and over again) that your moral high ground is all a farce and you have absolutely no right to judge people for continuing their support for the club even if they don’t agree with Qatari governmental policies.
Share price drop was always bound to happen once news of Glazers could stay on came out. This is why Ogden article and other (even Gary opinion) was dumb ( and shows why they are not financial reporters). The moment one of the sibling start cashing out, share price would plummet.
Considering Joel and Avram owns 33% of 69% share Glazers own, and by all accounts, Qatar values those share at 5bn, which means those 2 will need financing of almost 3.5-4bn to buy out the siblings share at Qatar evaluations. Thats never going to happen. Only way Glazer stay if more siblings decide to stay on
Considering Joel and Avram owns 33% of 69% share Glazers own, and by all accounts, Qatar values those share at 5bn, which means those 2 will need financing of almost 3.5-4bn to buy out the siblings share at Qatar evaluations. Thats never going to happen. Only way Glazer stay if more siblings decide to stay on
I personally think Joel and Avram have already decided to leave/sell.
Think their time spent in the ME might be the greatest indicator of that which we currently have.
Why is that relevant to the point I’m trying to make? Your outrage over the owner being a member of a government is adorable as it seems you believe business moguls in the UK/US do not play a part in governmental affairs. Silly, but adorable nonetheless
It's not even remotely comparable situations, even if it's tempting to call out someone who goes so hard in on the moral aspect. You can't expect someone to uproot their lives solely because of investments in the area they might not like the source of.
It's a very interesting debate though - where should you draw the line? I'm tempted to say if you hammer that argument against those who might have a different view on what is important for them regarding ownership of their football club and are not willing to even accept anyone having different priorities, then you should absolutely adhere to that in other aspects in life.
I thought Elliot were going to finance it?
Call me crazy but it’s a tad hypocritical.
A person that has directly benefited from financial investment from ME money is criticising people that want the club to benefit financially from ME money.
It’s pretty comparable if you ask me.
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