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City, Newcastle, Chelsea and many other teams get bought they are debt free but when United are bought we first get saddled with debt for 18 years while stadium crumbles. Then to get sold to keep current debt?

I mean where is the FA and the PL in all of this, im pretty sure i read somewhere about that new owners of a PL club cant buy a club and put debt on it? Lke "The Glazer clause"? (i guess now everyone will say they are nott adding on to it)
I think 'The Glazer clause' was the description of stipulations in the sale of Chelsea which the government oversaw.
 

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That’s why I referenced the bylaw. If the two brothers decided to go with minority investment then the other four have the power to veto and they probably would since they currently have a much better deal on the table.
Yes, but "minority investment" in the sense that the Glazers (represented by A/J) remain in control, with the other four selling out to an investor, isn't the scenario we're discussing here.

If what you mean is that A/J can't insist on remaining on board (in a drastically reduced capacity in terms of influence) if this means that the other four lose money, then yes - you may be right about that (although I have never seen any details pertaining to how the current ownership model actually is structured), but that seems a moot point: if the Qatari offer really is "much better", this will be wrapped up soon enough.
 

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Thanks for that but you would think the F A or government would start protecting the clubs after what they have seen done to us.
It's all to much for a person like me to understand so i'll just sit back and hope we have a good out come.
Indeed, football clubs should have a special status as community assets and be subject to different rules from other businesses. I’d like the believe the new independent regulator would have some power and jurisdiction in this area but I won’t hold my breath. This is the UK government after all. If they can find a way to feck it up they certainly will!
 

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It’s likely that is the case. Impossible to know until the latest numbers are confirmed if they ever are.

I think we will see two preferred bidders chosen for the full stake and Qatar will eventually outbid Ratcliffe. I’d be pleasantly surprised if I’m wrong.
As I understand it the next stage of the process involves one of the bidders being given a period of exclusivity.
 

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Assuming that INEOS and Qatar are the only bidders, that doesn’t make sense.

Rather than exclusivity it’s just a 4th round of bidding.
The idea being that the offers for investment are bidders in this context, so ruling those out does narrow it down.
 

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Assuming that INEOS and Qatar are the only bidders, that doesn’t make sense in respect.

Rather than exclusivity it’s just a 4th round of bidding.
The Glazers will squeeze every last penny out.

Once they reach the point where one is not willing to go above the other then they will have the period of exclusivity.

Just how I see it playing out personally.
 

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Not necessarily one. It can be two.
That’s more common in situations where there are numerous bidders. In a situation like this, where there would seem to be only two credible bidders for a controlling stake, I think it’s unlikely they’ll go down that road. It doesn’t really benefit anyone.
 

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I think this has a few twists and turns left in it yet. People claiming it’s done are jumping the gun and may end up disappointed.
 

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That’s more common in situations where there are numerous bidders. In a situation like this, where there would seem to be only two credible bidders for a controlling stake, I think it’s unlikely they’ll go down that road. It doesn’t really benefit anyone.
It benefits the Glazers by almost turning it into an auction type situation.
 

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No update. No one knows anything. A few rumours and opinion pieces flying around.

it’s actually all very tedious now.
I read about SJR offer being “valued” higher but my gut instinct tells me Qatar will still snipe at the end. A better offer based on valuation isn’t always better than a slightly lower valuation but a complete buyout.
 

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In regards to this all affecting our summer transfer activity couldn’t the parasites just have it in writing that in the event this isn’t completed by then any transfer activity will be tacked on the sale price ? For example if we bought Kane, Caicedo, Rabiot, Frimpong and Raya at around £200 million couldn’t that amount be added to the sale total for the new owners to pay ?
 

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It benefits the Glazers by almost turning it into an auction type situation.
It’s been an auction since the very start. But my point is that the granting of exclusivity to the two main bidders still standing serves no useful purpose. it adds nothing to the bidding process beyond the stench of desperation.
 

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I had a nightmare last night that RATcliffe took over with Glazers still involved in the club but in a a smaller scale, and Brailsford took over as sporting director and we bought Ross Barkley, Kasper Schmeichel, Aaron Ramsey and Nicolas Pepe.
 

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I had a nightmare last night that RATcliffe took over with Glazers still involved in the club but in a a smaller scale, and Brailsford took over as sporting director and we bought Ross Barkley, Kasper Schmeichel, Aaron Ramsey and Nicolas Pepe.
Maybe watch what you eat before bed.
 

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It’s been an auction since the very start. But my point is that the granting of exclusivity to the two main bidders still standing serves no useful purpose. it adds nothing to the bidding process beyond the stench of desperation.
It has but I think the difference this time will be a lot quicker paced this time around

I’m also not suggesting that both will have exclusively. They will name both as preferred then see who will go higher then whoever does will go exclusive.
 

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It’s been an auction since the very start. But my point is that the granting of exclusivity to the two main bidders still standing serves no useful purpose. it adds nothing to the bidding process beyond the stench of desperation.
It is rumoured that Raine had recommended a preferred bid after the 2nd round but it was the Glazers who pushed for a third round.
From what I’ve read I would be surprised if an exclusivity period was given now - instead I just see the winning bid declared and the deal done.
 

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Still think Ratcliffe has been the Glazers useful idiot throughout this and they want a full sale. Any partial sale is going to be a complicated mess.
 

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hi all, got a question.
If Qatar does win the ownership battle; where is the money coming from? It is rumoured that SJ only has net worth of 1.1 billion (can't remember where I read the number from); how can he give 5, 6, 7 or even 8 billion in total to buy the club and continue running it without external help? Does it mean it is unavoidably to say 92 foundation or SJ himself has certain connections to the Qatar state or QSI/QIA?
Thanks
 

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In regards to this all affecting our summer transfer activity couldn’t the parasites just have it in writing that in the event this isn’t completed by then any transfer activity will be tacked on the sale price ? For example if we bought Kane, Caicedo, Rabiot, Frimpong and Raya at around £200 million couldn’t that amount be added to the sale total for the new owners to pay ?
The club will draw down on the £200m credit facility to pay for any summer transfers, whether the Glazers are here or not. The new owners (if there are new owners) cannot 'give' United money for transfers this summer.
 

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Just been listening to the BBC podcast (How to buy a football club) from today. Faisal Islam thinks we may get the Glazers turn this into an auction-type situation.

Simon Stone also states he has been told the Qatar bid is over £5 billion, unsure if with or without debt etc. (doesn't think so)

I've speculated before that the Glazers will still negotiate before deciding who to go with in an exclusivity period. Like a "hey Sheikh, Ineos have bid more, so if you want to get exclusivity you'll have to throw us another £500m in that stage" kind of deal

How does he theorise they'll make an auction of it now that the bidding stage is over?
 
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