Surprised Monaco Jim would be against the idea tbh.
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That was the only way City could compete at the highest level and TBF apart from few exceptions (ex Manchester United, or Juventus post 2000s) its how football had been run since time immemorial. The Serie A glory days were down to owners pumping money into their clubs and we all know that Blackburn and Chelsea would have never competed otherwise. United itself was saved by John Henry Davies and four other investors who saved the club from bankruptcy.
I am pro Qatar because of three things. First of all, the offer is simply better. It entails no debt, a new stadium and a complete takeover which means that the Glazers will be out. By removing debt and by improving the infrastructure we would be able to spend more on other things. Also a rich owner would be more then willing to let 'assets' like Maguire leave on cheap/free which in turn would give us more room on offering salaries to better players instead.
Secondly INEOS had proven itself to be incompetent football owners. I am aware that Jassim has no football experience and PSG could be run better. However I'd rather rely on a passionate unknown rather then a proven incompetent man who thinks that its good idea to involve a cyclist man with a chequered reputation into football
Finally I very much doubt that the EPL would dare punishing the likes of Abu Dhabi, Saudi and Qatar. These states invest too much in the UK for the government to dare irking them
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We would probably become Monaco United if it saved him a few quid.
The absolute massive difference being that the Glazers first siphon off from that pot dividends to themselves and debt repayments. Then they have a figure they can allocate towards transfers.
so it’s not right to say they spend anything close to the FFP limit.
Whereas clubs like City have no such worries.
Putting the oil back in snake.
Yeah you are probably right. Could be interesting from an academic point of view to study the rules regarding this particular subject. Also the company is registered in the Cayman Islands and listed on the NYSE. Would be interesting to know which set of rules would be applicable in the present circumstance.
It's already cost us as most teams are already working on deals whereas we are completely hamstrung.
Was that supposed to sound exactly like something Alan Partridge would say?
This is actually a very well made point however it’s not how much you spend, it’s the way you spend it and under the Glazers and in particular Ed Woodward, we’ve been the laughing boys of European Football, we’ve only sold Daniel James for a profit , Angel Di Maria and Romelu Lukaku for anywhere near what we paid for them or a and most of the players we’ve bought have been huge failures, only last summer can we say we had 2 huge successes, 1 moderate success and 2 players where the jury’s still out.
We need to see a plan for the future, Ole at least tried with the youth and we might have Garnaucho and Amad next season because of this with A Fernandes and F Pellistri the season after.
Man of the people.
The reality is that nobody who can afford to spend 6 billion on buying a football club can afford it without being a bit of a C*nT
It's trying to decide who is the lesser of two evils that is the dilemma.
It's not a massive difference at all. They haven't taken dividends out in a while and debt repayments amount to the price of an average fullback, ie. they are very small in the grand scheme of things.
It won't happen as the legal fallout would be astronomical. There's every chance the PL won't be able to sanction City either for their infringements as the legal resources at their disposal could tie the PL in knots for years, if not decades. Not to mention the political pressure not to alienate a favoured ally. At most there will be a fine or a sentence that will be greatly reduced on appeal.
Not really. It's used in many incorrect ways to label and shoot down anyone who strays off the politically correct agenda at the moment however.
A racist is someone who believes that the human population can be categorised and classified into hierarchies based perceived biological differences, that it is very important to live by this taxonomy and (very importantly) that the races this person believes to be inferior can be exploited through such things as discrimination or antagonism.
It's very scary and it should be not dilluted with social constructivism. EG, as has been discussed in this thread before, being in favour or Brexit in order to stop a wage dump on low educated jobs and to protect access to public healthcare is not racism.
Fans will always change the narrative to fit their current agenda I suppose.
Personally I think this whole thing is bigger than just the Utd takeover. The league is in danger of totally getting away from itself now. Where does all this end?
UAE v Qatar v Saudi. It will be Kuwait and maybe Iran next up.
They skipped dividends one year. This year. The year they are actually selling.
Between dividends and debt we average over £50m per year.
You’re trying to gaslight us if you think that is not significant to our transfer operations.
watch yourself sunshine..you'll get a piping hot bramley apple pie in the face..
Or as per status quo United v Arsenal in LA
Liverpool v Villa in New York
Mods, come on. At least tag him as a Glazer sympathiser, so people know what they're dealing with.
All of this is true. I also think morally the 3 parties involved in this deal are all shady. There are no ethically sound billionaires that I know of who can also steer us back in the right direction. I just want the best deal for the club and the people of the city and for the glazers to be out because everything the glazer kids touch turns to shit (apart from their inherited ‘investment’ in Utd, that was very smart from Malcolm)
It’s time for something completely different. Even if we just went the way of Dortmund and became the best club in the world at nabbing and playing the Haalands Camavingas and Bellinghams at 18 and developing them over a few years into a CL force. That would be lovely. We don’t need to go out making 100 million statement signings every summer. We just need to have a long term plan and not be stuck holding onto expensive duds while really great and cheap young players end up elsewhere.
Yes, really. Whether you like it or not(and I personally don't like it), racism extends beyond race, there is a recognized overlap between for example racism and xenophobia. The meaning of these terms is more nuanced than you think.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/xenophobia-and-racism-difference
It isn’t really a dilemma for anyone looking at it logically.
You've literally no idea what you're talking about.
What legal fall out? There is diddly squat City can do legally if they're found guilty. No appeal to CAS as they don't have jurisdiction and they've already exhausted all of their legal options in trying to halt the process reaching this far - and failed every single time.
If found guilty they can appeal but it only goes to another independent arbitration panel and then that's it - there's no more recourse available to City.
And in the event they are found guilty, the PL will have no choice but to throw the book at them. Otherwise they will be sending a message to every other PL club that it's ok to commit the most egregious offences and you'll only get a slap on the wrist if found guilty - which would destroy the credibility of their product.
Yes the pic was real. I was sat 3 rows behind them. There was a small scuffle that broke out with a lady who tried to take the flag from the guys holding it up but they got their flag back from her.
Of course it won't happen just as I am pretty sure that this whole ordeal around Manchester City will end with just a slap at the wrist. The UK government can't afford pissing off oil rich states who pump millions if not billions of dollars in the UK economy
This guys definitely better than the oil guy
Yes I do not know the rules in these cases, but Qatars solicitors would probably know what is possible.
Just over a week ago there were people who struggle to feed their kids lining the streets twerking for a man in a golden carriage. Sometimes, morality takes a backseat to the dance of circumstance.
Don’t be such a negative Nancy
No. Read the link you provided. Their conclusion is that racism is different but a person can be xenophobic AS WELL as a racist. Isn't this prety obvious? What racist would not oppose immigrants?That person is more or less always going to be xenophobic as well. This doesn't mean that the terms are the same.
It's very dangerous to dillute terms like racism because when you oppress something it comes back stronger. This has been shown in other fields of social science. In Scandinavia the differences in choices of career between men and women have increased as a result of measurements aiming at decreasing them. In In the case of racism this means that when all objections to multiculturalism is considered racism, people who oppose multiculturalism but are not racists are going to start thinking that perhaps racism is not that bad as it's been labelled. Then the door or open for actual racism to enter the political agenda.
Incorrect; biological race has many flaws, go check your DNA, race is a social construct.
The idea that it will deter investment is simply stupid. Even with the windfall tax they still get to profit in the billions. They just don't want to pay a single penny.
Yeah you do make a good point about what happens if Qatar offered a similar deal
I think you’ll find a tea towel is a more cost effective, and stylish, form of submission!
He's is saving money to pay off (some) glazers
Yeah that's what should have happened way back in the summer of 2008,you could even argue 2003 before Abramovich bought Chelsea
There's no way the UK government, especially if it's still the Tories, wouldn't apply pressure to the PL to make this go away. The same way they did exactly the same when Saudi Arabia's bid for Newcastle was initially turned down.
I follow both the Serie A and the EPL and this sort of things were the norm in the Serie A. The situation became so silly that Brescia who was a struggling Serie A side could afford buying a top CM from Real Madrid. They even kept Hagi when they got relegated in the Serie B. The first club I remember who won the EPL thanks to his owner bankrolling it were Blackburn. Blackburn broke the British record for signings twice in three years (ie Shearer and Sutton).
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