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There's no chance we appoint a sporting director that can't start till into next season. Everything Ineos have dome so far is geared towards going into the summer with a plan, I can't see them suddenly kicking the can another 6 months down the line.

They just got the CEO sorted within a month, and before the deal has been officially ratified.
I think there’s no chance they’d want to. But it could be out of their hands due to notice periods, gardening leaves and regulations to follow

Everything they’ve done so far has been quick admittedly, but out of their control it’ll still be a couple of weeks until they’re officially in position and 6 months until their Chief Executive is in position due to things out of their control. So it’s not out the question that there will be a long wait for the Sports Director no matter how quickly they do their bit
 

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I think there’s no chance they’d want to. But it could be out of their hands due to notice periods, gardening leaves and regulations to follow

Everything they’ve done so far has been quick admittedly, but out of their control it’ll still be a couple of weeks until they’re officially in position and 6 months until their Chief Executive is in position due to things out of their control. So it’s not out the question that there will be a long wait for the Sports Director no matter how quickly they do their bit
And it’s not out of the question there won’t be a long wait?

It’s all speculation
 

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What's written on paper and what actually happens are two different stories altogether. We've seen that with Kenyon when he moved from United to Chelsea. Chelsea had made sure to have all stars aligned to poach almost every player we wanted.What I think that we need ASAP is a head of recruitment. We can't afford yet another summer of Murtough's negotiation
I think we literally can't mate, FFP and all that.
 

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So why don't they sack ETH? He isn't going to magically get us Top 4/5 now.
Which manager that's available would get us 4/5. The good managers are all trying to either win their leagues or are in the driving seat in our league. They will give him more of a chance until it is impossible to get the necessary league position and then they will feel justified in sacking him. So he either starts getting a tune out of the players, or it gives us more time to sound out other managers and if they are interested in taking the job.
 

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I think we literally can't mate, FFP and all that.
No we can't. It's tragic that United had to reach this pathetic stage before being FORCED to hire competent people. We are told that the Glazers only care about money. Yet even on that regard they are pretty shit
 

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So why don't they sack ETH? He isn't going to magically get us Top 4/5 now.
Because they aren't convinced that the poor showings on the pitch is materially on him given all of the structural breakdown around the club. They clearly want to see how he does from here on before making any assumptions on where blame lies.
 

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No we can't. It's tragic that United had to reach this pathetic stage before being FORCED to hire competent people. We are told that the Glazers only care about money. Yet even on that regard they are pretty shit
This is the bit that never computed for me. They bought the club and gave the CEO job to some finance guy who helped them with the negotiation. He then proceeded to blow a billion+ down the drain and the owners never batted an eyelid. It took the ESL fiasco to actually take him down.

How is it that an owner with a controlling stake doesn't care that the CEO is wasting so much money? I think it's public knowledge that Joel Glazer was looped in on basically every player transaction and he held the final yes or no. So he's somewhat involved.

More than being leeches (which they definitely are) I think they're just totally incompetent. Trust fund babies that lucked into their fortune and never had to make an honest living being hoodwinked by savvy CEOs / execs covering their own ass. They should just hand over the whole thing to Ratcliffe -- 10x more competent than Woodward.
 

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Maybe think about the bigger picture here, how it all knits together into a cohesive strategy.

Focussing on one person / issue is a bit at a time is likely the kind of approach that got the club to where it is now.
Absolutely. It takes many moving parts to build a great machine and the more we add the better. Neither of them have to be the messiah but together they could build something great.
 

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This is the bit that never computed for me. They bought the club and gave the CEO job to some finance guy who helped them with the negotiation. He then proceeded to blow a billion+ down the drain and the owners never batted an eyelid. It took the ESL fiasco to actually take him down.

How is it that an owner with a controlling stake doesn't care that the CEO is wasting so much money? I think it's public knowledge that Joel Glazer was looped in on basically every player transaction and he held the final yes or no. So he's somewhat involved.

More than being leeches (which they definitely are) I think they're just totally incompetent. Trust fund babies that lucked into their fortune and never had to make an honest living being hoodwinked by savvy CEOs / execs covering their own ass. They should just hand over the whole thing to Ratcliffe -- 10x more competent than Woodward.
In my opinion there's a short answer and a long answer to that. Both of whom are right but tackle the issue from different viewpoints

The short answer is that the Glazers tend to be very loyal to those who made them money, they are undecisive and they hate change. Woodward played a key role in helping them find the funds to buy Manchester United. Thus he's considered as someone loyal to the Glazers. In fact, up till this point he's the only non Glazer who owns Class B shares which is amazing considering how zealous they are with those shares. This sort of loyalty was shown to the likes of Murtough as well whose been described as Woodward's fixer.

The longer answer is that United's structure was never good to start with. We succeeded merely thanks to one man ie SAF who was able to tackle so many issues on his own (recruitment, team management, tactics, contract renewals, scouting, hiring of football people etc) and to bring so much success that the rest came easy (ie sponsors etc). Let's start with Edwards. He's lauded to be the man who invested heavily on the stadium and who brought SAF in. That's all true. However he's also the guy who nearly lost SAF simply because he couldn't be arsed to check how much salary managers were being paid at the time. If Graham (ex Arsenal) didn't step in by handling SAF a copy of his own contract then SAF would have left the club. That's not all. Throughout the years his overzealousness with money costed us players like Batistuta and how he believed that the European glory was a nice have as opposed to dominating the local pond. Batigol could have easily won us another CL to the very least.

Kenyon is known for loosening Edward's rigid wage structure. That allowed us to retain Keane and bring the likes of Rio. Yet Kenyon proved to be uninspiring at Chelsea with him messing big time with Kakuta's deal. Pen pusher Gill limited himself in supporting SAF without ever bothering to create a succession plan to the man let alone dragging United's football structure to modern times. When SAF left, Gill did what the Italians call a Schettino and he joined him. The least said about Woodward the better.

Which leads us to Berrata, specifically to Pep's recent rant about him. I don't know too much about the guy but from Pep's reaction the guy is fabulous in his job. A United with a truly excellent CEO who knows his stuff is indeed frightening and something most of us might have never experienced before
 

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I haven’t seen anyone suggest it’s going to be quick either. Just that it’s the next priority.

I’d hope that when interviewing Berrada, INEOS and himself would have been in alignment about who they want the sporting director to be anyway. So Ineos can crack on.

But if not, Berrada has a 6 month wait. That could be mid-July before he starts officially. Then the interview stage for a sports director could take a month or so, then they themselves might have a long gardening leave period.
Just as clubs are not allowed to tap up players under contract with another club Berrada will work unofficially during his gardening period, it's a given. Even if he does a Kenyon on City there is no way of proving that we weren't already scouting those players before he got the job.
 

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Because they aren't convinced that the poor showings on the pitch is materially on him given all of the structural breakdown around the club. They clearly want to see how he does from here on before making any assumptions on where blame lies.
Source?
 

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Which manager that's available would get us 4/5. The good managers are all trying to either win their leagues or are in the driving seat in our league. They will give him more of a chance until it is impossible to get the necessary league position and then they will feel justified in sacking him. So he either starts getting a tune out of the players, or it gives us more time to sound out other managers and if they are interested in taking the job.
Conte is available. We can ask Valverde from bilbao. Loads of managers.
 

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Its evident that this season has been written off. Else we would have added at least a player
 

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So why don't they sack ETH?
Could be money.
We would owe him 13M plus whatever we owe all his coaching staff and then any fees that goes into a firing process.

Then a hiring process will need more money. Despite all that, there is no guarantee of getting a CL and whatever money that brings.
 

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Because they aren't convinced that the poor showings on the pitch is materially on him given all of the structural breakdown around the club. They clearly want to see how he does from here on before making any assumptions on where blame lies.
I agree with this stance and it probably is what they're doing.


In what way?
In a 'I've made up my mind, so why hasn't everyone else' kind of way, judging by many of the posters on here.
 

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I’m down for keeping EtH and seeing what he can do without the Glazer shackles - he too has been held back.

these are the feckers who kept Martial here because Joel fancied him.

wouldn’t be surprised to see they had forced the manager to pick Rashford etc for commercial reasons no matter the form.
 

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I’m down for keeping EtH and seeing what he can do without the Glazer shackles - he too has been held back.

these are the feckers who kept Martial here because Joel fancied him.

wouldn’t be surprised to see they had forced the manager to pick Rashford etc for commercial reasons no matter the form.
This is the correct approach, he still has credit in the bank from his incredible debut season.
 

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I’d say so considering our expectations, people are quick to forget but we were hailing the football up until the cup final and after.
We'd finished in the top 3, 3 times in the pervious 5 seasons before he arrived. It wasn't a major achievement and still not as good as what he likes of Jose managed. I don't really remember many gushing about our football. The end of season review threads, which I skimmed through recently, were filled with people saying we need to see better football or a clear plan. Many thought a new ball playing goalkeeper was the key to it all and that we'd see better football (Ten Hags real plan for us, some mentioned) if we signed somebody like Onana.
 

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What's written on paper and what actually happens are two different stories altogether. We've seen that with Kenyon when he moved from United to Chelsea. Chelsea had made sure to have all stars aligned to poach almost every player we wanted.What I think that we need ASAP is a head of recruitment. We can't afford yet another summer of Murtough's negotiation
Would you appoint a Head of Recruitment before a Director of Football then I take it?
 

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Would you appoint a Head of Recruitment before a Director of Football then I take it?
Transfers negotiations tend to take months and serious clubs will start planning for the summer now. Berrata will officially join the club in mid summer while if we get Ashworth then he'll probably get at least a 6 month gardening leave as well. Sure they'll be in contact with the club on a regular basis but not to an extent of handling complex deals. Thus we need someone in to do that. I see nothing wrong in hiring someone as long as Berrata and Ashworth agree with the person hired. Ultimately top level football is a highly niche industry were everyone know everyone. Surely Ashworth would know who Mitchell is and whether he can trust him or not.
 

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I’m down for keeping EtH and seeing what he can do without the Glazer shackles - he too has been held back.

these are the feckers who kept Martial here because Joel fancied him.

wouldn’t be surprised to see they had forced the manager to pick Rashford etc for commercial reasons no matter the form.
I too would like to keep EtH beyond this season, as I think he is far better than he has been able to show thus far. Unfortunately, I just don't think it is a realistic prospect at this stage - we are almost certain to finish outside the UCL qualification places and I cannot see him remaining in those circumstances.
 

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Looks like heads are rolling

It honestly fills me with joy to see the people that have been associated with the shambles this club has been, getting shown the door. I am so in favor of Jim going scorched earth and getting rid of every one of them. This is arguably the best way he could have started.
 
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