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Hamster, damn!
He is literally the top scoring player of all time in the Champions league.He's had a legendary career, but he's unpleasant and never rose to God levels in any competition that matter.
He is literally the top scoring player of all time in the Champions league.He's had a legendary career, but he's unpleasant and never rose to God levels in any competition that matter.
World Cup, Euros?He is literally the top scoring player of all time in the Champions league.
Won the Euros with Portugal, holds the joint record with Platini(another player who's brilliance is forgotten) for goals scored in the Euros. Got 7 in 17 appearances in the world cup and played with a relatively week Portugal team for most of his International career. While doing it in an era where large score lines are becoming rarer and rarer in football.World Cup, Euros?
Checkmate. Absolutely ridiculous to try and drag DOWN any of these fantastic players.He is literally the top scoring player of all time in the Champions league.
That's pretty much how I see it . Watching R9 burst onto the scene was jaw dropping , unbelievable and just made you want to watch him . R10 was a joy to watch as well , more for the trickery and pure enjoyment of playing football . There was a lot less protection for these guys too , defenders would hit them hard compared to today . CR7 has worked harder for a long time and has incredible stats and honours but his style of play is nowhere near as exciting .R9 was the most talented for me. Skill, speed and effectiveness combined. But I enjoyed watching Ronaldinho the most. He was just magical for a few seasons at Barca.
CR is obviously a great player, one of the best ever. But even though his figures are extraordinary, I am a bit dissapointed in how his carreer has turned out. He was a joy to watch in his late seasons at Man United. He got more effective at Real, but lost some of the magic along the way imo. I guess it doesn't matter, when he's on your team, but for me, he hasn't been as entertaining throughout his prime at Real, as he was at Man United when he was young.
If not considering him the Greatest of All Time is dragging him down, well guilty as charged.Checkmate. Absolutely ridiculous to try and drag DOWN any of these fantastic players.
I think if you ask a random caf goer to name players in contention for GOAT, you'd get C Ronaldo in most top 3's or 5's. In the same way I think people underrate him vs some of the older players you mention above, and overrate some players due to nostalgia, generations after us will have the same conversation about C Ronaldo but the point is he will be in the conversation along with Messi. Ronaldinho and Fat Ronaldo will not.No he's not. None in their right mind who's older than 30 considers Cristiano as the greatest of all time. Even Messi has a better claim, lest not mention Maradona, Pele, Di Stefano, Cruyff, Beckenbauer, Garrincha etc.
He's had a legendary career, but he's unpleasant and never rose to God levels in any competition that matter.
Recency bias.I think if you ask a random caf goer to name players in contention for GOAT, you'd get C Ronaldo in most top 3's or 5's. In the same way I think people underrate him vs some of the older players you mention above, and overrate some players due to nostalgia, generations after us will have the same conversation about C Ronaldo but the point is he will be in the conversation along with Messi. Ronaldinho and Fat Ronaldo will not.
we all know that’s rubbishRecency bias.
If you asked a random caffite 15 years ago, they would have said Zidane is the greatest of all time. Now, not so much.
Cristian has never been the undisputed best player in the world, so GOAT conversation is wishful thinking by his fanboys.
I like Cristiano, think he's United's best player ever but he's not the greatest ever to play the sport let's get real.
Recency bias.
If you asked a random caffite 15 years ago, they would have said Zidane is the greatest of all time. Now, not so much.
Cristian has never been the undisputed best player in the world, so GOAT conversation is wishful thinking by his fanboys.
I like Cristiano, think he's United's best player ever but he's not the greatest ever to play the sport let's get real.
Personally I think his hundreds of goals in the Cl is more impressive than Klose's what 15 at the WC?World Cup, Euros?
He is literally the top scoring player of all time in the Champions league.
It’s incredible really, Ronaldo seems to have this cult like following of haters that will say the most ridiculous things to down play his achievements. I don’t believe he’s the GOAT , but to say he hasn’t done anything important at the highest level is delusional at best.Won the Euros with Portugal, holds the joint record with Platini(another player who's brilliance is forgotten) for goals scored in the Euros. Got 7 in 17 appearances in the world cup and played with a relatively week Portugal team for most of his International career. While doing it in an era where large score lines are becoming rarer and rarer in football.
Ronaldo is simply underrated by some as he happens to play at the same time as Messi.
By "we" you mean everyone except Messi fans and more than half the world?we all know that’s rubbish
The point made was Cristiano hadnt reached God level. You retort with Euro 16. Cristiano was God level there? Thats a reach, even by Cristiano fanboy level.Won the Euros with Portugal, holds the joint record with Platini(another player who's brilliance is forgotten) for goals scored in the Euros. Got 7 in 17 appearances in the world cup and played with a relatively week Portugal team for most of his International career. While doing it in an era where large score lines are becoming rarer and rarer in football.
Ronaldo is simply underrated by some as he happens to play at the same time as Messi.
Platini went through the same thing due to Maradona.Won the Euros with Portugal, holds the joint record with Platini(another player who's brilliance is forgotten) for goals scored in the Euros. Got 7 in 17 appearances in the world cup and played with a relatively week Portugal team for most of his International career. While doing it in an era where large score lines are becoming rarer and rarer in football.
Ronaldo is simply underrated by some as he happens to play at the same time as Messi.
You are making it sound like Cristiano style has turned out to be boring for majority of his career, whereas Ronaldo and Ronaldinho has maintained high level of excitement throughout the years.That's pretty much how I see it . Watching R9 burst onto the scene was jaw dropping , unbelievable and just made you want to watch him . R10 was a joy to watch as well , more for the trickery and pure enjoyment of playing football . There was a lot less protection for these guys too , defenders would hit them hard compared to today . CR7 has worked harder for a long time and has incredible stats and honours but his style of play is nowhere near as exciting .
It's all down to taste really , if honours and achievements are what you measure greatness with then it's CR7 , whereas if it's pure natural ability and joy to watch its the Brazilians .
It's not really about the amount of excitement years they gave but the intensity. CR7 was never able to reach the level of creativity R9 and R10 did. He's a fantastic player no doubt but when R9 and R10 had the ball, you knew that at any moment they could do something (useful) you've never seen before on a football pitch. Cristiano copied in a bit of a stiffier way what R9 and R10 (and others like Zidane) showed on the pitch a couple of years before. And he did it very well, using these tricks combined with his natural abilities and it made him a lethal player but he never really had the same creative sparkle.So the truth is, Cristiano has maintained longer duration of exciting play then the other 2. 10 years of excitement vs 5-6 years of excitement.
Let’s just say if he is not at “god level” in CL, no one is then. He is literally the GOAT in CL, hold every records there, and won 5 of those. His 17 CL run is one of most impressive ever individual display since Maradona in 86 WC, IMHO.If not considering him the Greatest of All Time is dragging him down, well guilty as charged.
If the argument is about which player is the most exciting to watch during their peak, then I wouldn’t argue against Ronaldo/Ronaldinho being more exciting than Cristiano, although I do think the difference is minimal.It's not really about the amount of excitement years they gave but the intensity. CR7 was never able to reach the level of creativity R9 and R10 did. He's a fantastic player no doubt but when R9 and R10 had the ball, you knew that at any moment they could do something (useful) you've never seen before on a football pitch. Cristiano copied in a bit of a stiffier way what R9 and R10 (and others like Zidane) showed on the pitch a couple of years before. And he did it very well, using these tricks combined with his natural abilities and it made him a lethal player but he never really had the same creative sparkle.
Exactly. Right now Messi and Ronaldo are hyped as the best ever. In reality, in years from now Messi will settle down into the top tier alongside Pele and Maradona, not above them. Nobody else will be there. Cristiano will be in the second tier alongside players like Zidane and Cruyff. Luis Ronaldo will be there too, but he will always have an asterisk next to his name that says without the injuries he could have been better than them all.Recency bias.
If you asked a random caffite 15 years ago, they would have said Zidane is the greatest of all time. Now, not so much.
Cristian has never been the undisputed best player in the world, so GOAT conversation is wishful thinking by his fanboys.
I like Cristiano, think he's United's best player ever but he's not the greatest ever to play the sport let's get real.
YepBy "we" you mean everyone except Messi fans
Ok.
Either you are a big Messi fanboy and are deliberately being difficult or you're out of touch with football. If you think 15 years ago people would be ranking Zidane higher than Pele or Maradona, you're the latter. Some people might not consider CR7 the GOAT but he is undeniably in the conversation. Personally I think his bid to be considered the GOAT will only intensify when the dust settles on his career, this goes for Messi as well because no one looks even close to matching what they have achieved and they'll both be hugely missed by the game one they retire.Recency bias.
If you asked a random caffite 15 years ago, they would have said Zidane is the greatest of all time. Now, not so much.
Cristian has never been the undisputed best player in the world, so GOAT conversation is wishful thinking by his fanboys.
I like Cristiano, think he's United's best player ever but he's not the greatest ever to play the sport let's get real.
If it's strictly about ability and beautiful goals #1 is clearly Ronaldinho. He was a magician in his prime at Barca.Let me start by saying that I don't want this thread to be about numbers or career consistency.
The phenomenon, Ronaldinho and Cristiano are, without a doubt, some of the most skillful players to ever set foot on a pitch, and I would like to know how the Cafe ranks them against each other in terms of dribbling, creativity, pace, playmaking and ability to score beautiful goals.
In short, who is the best, looking strictly at ability ?
Also, feel free to share your favorite moments, stories about how they caught your eye and even disappointment with how their careers went if you want to.
He definitely had raw technical ability as a boy at United. He changed his game to be more efficient and direct, he's the perfect tournament player. He is 3x more efficient than Ronaldo or Ronaldinho ever was as a forward.CR7 probably doesn't have the raw technical ability. But in terms of aerobic capacity and workrate, I'd bet he makes loads more runs and hence why he scores so many goals.
Plenty feel he's outside the big 3-4 and in the next bracket. So it's not undeniable really. But I agree that it's silly to demote him as if he isn't an all time great becuase he definitely is.Either you are a big Messi fanboy and are deliberately being difficult or you're out of touch with football. If you think 15 years ago people would be ranking Zidane higher than Pele or Maradona, you're the latter. Some people might not consider CR7 the GOAT but he is undeniably in the conversation. Personally I think his bid to be considered the GOAT will only intensify when the dust settles on his career, this goes for Messi as well because no one looks even close to matching what they have achieved and they'll both be hugely missed by the game one they retire.
05/06 Ronaldinho was pretty great.CR7 is just below the big 3, on that tier where absolute legends of the game such as Cruyff and Beckenbauer are.
Ronaldo and Ronaldinho simply arent. Especially Ronaldinho, yeah his peak was great, and he was really fun to watch, but lets face it he never had a GOAT season like CR7, Messi, Maradona, R9 had. When people say R10's peak was the highest peak theyve seen i just wonder if they started watching football in 2004 and stopped in 2006.
Late 2003-2006 he was brilliant. The guy saying he never had standout GOAT seasons clearly never watched him in either 2004/05 or 2005/06. He was amazing to watch in 04/05 and was decisive in every big game aside from the CL final itself in 05/06 (when his decline had started to kick in).05/06 Ronaldinho was pretty great.
Wrong and wrong. Right now, Messi and Cristiano arent hyped by the majority as the best ever. Messi is constantly compared to Diego and Pele, now. You wont have to wait years for that comparison.Exactly. Right now Messi and Ronaldo are hyped as the best ever. In reality, in years from now Messi will settle down into the top tier alongside Pele and Maradona, not above them. Nobody else will be there. Cristiano will be in the second tier alongside players like Zidane and Cruyff. Luis Ronaldo will be there too, but he will always have an asterisk next to his name that says without the injuries he could have been better than them all.